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Offline JV Puleo

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Christies Sale
« on: November 02, 2010, 09:59:06 PM »

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Re: Christies Sale
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2010, 10:43:52 PM »
It sure looks good from what I can see, but it would have been nice to see the cheek piece side as well.  Even if it isn't carved, that was an excellent buy for somebody.

Frank

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Re: Christies Sale
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2010, 11:29:03 PM »
Likely but a guess, if sold here , even other than at Christie's, the realized values would have been strating bids. All if the guns on that page ( look to the right) would have been a collectors dream come true......Dickert, Schwietzer, etc
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Re: Christies Sale
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2010, 05:11:24 PM »
Thanks for posting those results. Interesting to say the least!
Both the Dickert and the Schweitzer had the barrels cut back, but still, those are really unbelievably low prices.
It'll be interesting to see if some, or all. of those guns show up on this side of the pond before long!

A lot of the other guns in the auction had low estimates, and sold for low prices as well.... Maybe the Brit economy is hurting more than we know?

John
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Re: Christies Sale
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2010, 06:30:18 PM »
Quite naturally, British collectors have different interests from most Americans. There is always interest in American guns, just as there is interest in British guns here but the emphasis is completely reversed. Add to that the fact that certain sorts of guns have survived there in much larger quantities than we imagine (nice 18th century fowlers and percussion DB shotguns come to mind) and their prices are frequently, if not always lower than ours are for the same type of arm. I follow this because I'm much more interested in British guns than I am American ones and the British guns I like are often less expensive there, usually because I am happy to buy converted examples etc. Condition and "big name" makers count for a great deal in the British market. A great gun by a relatively unknown provincial maker will attract much less attention than an ordinary gun by a famous London maker. Generally, late 18th century - early 19th century guns are really hot but mid-18th century and earlier arms have a more limited following (at least until you get to the 17th century, which is another thing altogether). For instance... India pattern muskets are widely sought after as they were the standard arm of the Napoleonic wars while earlier Land Pattern arms (although certainly valuable) seem to generate less interest with asking prices often aimed at American buyers. It isn't a coincidence that the best new work on the Land Pattern arms are all written by Americans.
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Re: Christies Sale
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2010, 10:08:16 PM »
AS you may follow that market, I wondered if you would let "US" ( no pun) know of any Kentuckys that come up in reputable auctions or sales. Perhaps they could be won/bought and brought back to their origin. And just perhaps, pictures will show up here. :) Always looking for exhibits for the ALR Museum ;D
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Re: Christies Sale
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2010, 11:21:55 PM »
I believe the value of much of the English and European firearms are down from that several years ago.  I follow some sales fairly closely and that is how it seems to me.  Putting quantities produced and nostalgia aside, it is amazing the value of some of these arms in comparison to those produced here.  A gun produced here might cost ten times or more what an "equivalent" Europen gun, in terems of design / craftsmanship, might cost.  I realize this is like comparing apples and oranges, but for someone who appreciates fine guns for simply what they are it's a great opportunity.  I've been fortunate enough to acquire several in the last year or so and have been quite happy I did so.  In fact, another is being shipped right now!  In general it seems to me the appreciation for English and European arms is quite low here in this country.  From my perspective I can't understand why.  Perhaps it's because in the scheme of things, nostalgia doesn't mean all that much to me.

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Re: Christies Sale
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2010, 03:06:53 AM »
Does ALR have a policy regarding posting ongoing auctions? In fact, I did know about these before the auction took place but, with only one exception, the other sites I occasionally visit discourage posting auction links unless the sale is over. Because I'm involved in arms publishing I see almost all of the major catalogs - though I confess I don't go through all of them with a fine tooth comb.  I'd be perfectly happy to pass the information on as long as its not in violation of the rules.
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Re: Christies Sale
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2010, 02:25:07 PM »
The only policy I know about  is that we do not accept guns in the Museum that are not presented with the owners permission. Items for sale are in the "for sale" forum and shows are announced. Individual items for sale on other sites such as Ebay are often referenced and "linked". Thus it would seem that a reference to the membership of an auction or sale would be appreciated.
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