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Offline Chuck Burrows

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Latest bag and horn set...
« on: February 09, 2011, 12:02:32 PM »
The first mountain men came from the east and this set was inspired by those early trappers such as Forest Hancock and Joseph Dickson who went up the Missouri River in 1807 with John Colter, Thomas James who went west with the Lisa expedition, last but far from least Hoback, Reznor, and Edward Robinson who guided the Wilson Price Hunt Expedition of 1811.
The pouch is based on a pic of an original I found on line, but did not note where I got it – Oh Well! The whole set is intended to be my idea of what one of these earliest of mountaineers might have carried during those early years.
My version is patterned after that original. It is made from alum tawed sheepskin (I love this stuff!) rather than cowhide like the original, but does have a dark blue plaid wool liner similar to the original. Size is 8.5" wide by 7.5" tall. It has a small exterior pocket for storing greased patches, and a short fringed welt. It has a brain tan buckskin repair along one edge seam, both inside and outside, an inner pocket of brain tan as a later addition, and the strap of bark tan cowhide harness leather is also intended to represent a later replacement - the adjustment buckle is a saddle buckle of the era. On the back is a strap with a bone button that can be tucked under the waist belt or sash to keep the bag from swinging away from one’s body. The flap is closed with a hand made domed brass button. The bit of beadwork is done with blue pound beads similar in color to many originals of the era and is intended to represent what one of the early mountaineers paramours may have added to “fancy” things up a bit – east meets west….
The horn is the original SW Virginia horn (circa 1850’s?) that I posted a while back. I repaired the small cracks along the butt with a bit of pitch and then covered it over with deer rawhide. I then added an iron ring for the bark tan cowhide harness strap at both ends  and can be used alone or attached to the patch strap via a couple of small braintan thongs.  The horn can be used alone or attached to the patch strap via a couple of small braintan thongs.   The strap is adjustable via the two braintan buckskin thongs on each end.  Mated up to the horn are a 70gr antler powder measure and a simple iron touchhole pick attached to the horn via a fine link iron chain, which came off some old (circa 1880’s) harness - the pick and measuer fit into a small pocket on the back of the bag's strap.
The whole set was given a patina of age – used but not abused………….














Wish ya'll could see it in person since the pictures just doesn't show off the variations in color, texture, and patina.....
« Last Edit: February 09, 2011, 12:14:03 PM by ChuckBurrows »
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Re: Latest bag and horn set...
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2011, 12:26:47 PM »
Chuck, fantastic work! You can really nail the look. Thanks for sharing and great photography. Bob

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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2011, 06:59:22 PM »
 WOW! Outstanding. What's the knife holding it open?

 Tim C.   

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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2011, 07:23:23 PM »
That is an absolutely beautiful set, Chuck. It is a style I am not used to working in, but I think you really pulled it off with flying colors!

The colors, texture, and details are all outstanding. That sheep hide really looks great.

I like what you did for the repair on the old horn too. Neat setup being able to use it alone or attached to the pouch.

Thanks for sharing that.

Jeff

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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2011, 03:33:12 AM »
very, very nice. was wondering if the manner of carrying the powder measure and the strap to keep the bag from swinging is authentic for the time period?  definitely not criticizing, just wanting to learn.  mark

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2011, 04:30:43 AM »
Very nice looking bag set Chuck. I like the use of raw hide on the horn.

 Man, there is some talent on this board.

Mike

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2011, 05:50:15 AM »
Thats a great looking set Chuck...I bet thats one happy old horn being paired up with a bag like that...
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2011, 05:06:36 PM »
They make a fine pair. Very beautiful
Nothing beats the feel of a handmade southern iron mounted flintlock on a cold frosty morning

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2011, 07:12:07 PM »
Beautiful work Chuck!

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2011, 12:06:04 AM »
    Out standing!!!    AL
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2011, 02:42:50 PM »
Chuck-
In the world of authenticity, you are 'dangerous'!

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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2011, 04:23:02 PM »
Really nice work Chuck

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2011, 12:23:56 AM »
AWESOME SET. HAS THE TRUE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE PERIOD. NICE WORK

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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2011, 07:33:39 AM »
Chuck, that's a beautiful rig. Someone is going to be very happy when they get their hands on this one. I don't know how you do it, but your stuff looks like it came right off the trail.  Envious Regards  Frank

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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2011, 08:15:59 AM »
Thank you all for your very generous comments!

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WOW! Outstanding. What's the knife holding it open?  Tim C.   
Tim that's one of Mike Mann of Idaho Knifeworks (www.idahoknifeworks.com) verison of an early style folder that he calls a French folding knife. The basic pattern is old, a similar piece is in the Museum of th Fur Trade, and Gene Chapman wrote a great booklet on how-to make them http://www.oakandiron.com/index.html

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Neat setup being able to use it alone or attached to the pouch
Jeff - I usuallu yse a couple fo buttons to hold the horn strap but didn;t have any on hand so used the wangs instead this time. I prefer a separate horn and pouch usually since sometimes I like to just carry the horn and than have a few balls and patches in my pocket withoout the pouch but - back in my experimental archeology days when I trapped beaver, skinned out critters etc. the horn always seemed to have a mind of it's own so like the toggle whang on the pouch I came up with this set up to "tame" the horn swing.

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very, very nice. was wondering if the manner of carrying the powder measure and the strap to keep the bag from swinging is authentic for the time period?
Mark I've never seen an old bag with this exact set-up but Madison Grant's book and other collections do show small "pouches" attached to the pouch strap to hold a measurer.
My idea came about serendipitously - - I had to change out a strap and when I sewed the new one on to the stub of the old one, et voila, that pouch got formed and the rest is history so to speak.......
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2011, 05:18:17 PM »
I'm fascinated with the paired/splayed beads in the flap along with their aging.  I've done just enough beading (or would that be "not enough"?) to recognize that there's something special going on there.

This isn't a request for a tutorial, rather a report that I like it so much I'll be trying to figure it out myself.  You know what they say about imitation being the highest form of praise! ;)
« Last Edit: February 23, 2011, 05:19:01 PM by BrownBear »

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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2011, 09:45:08 PM »
Hank on this particular piece the scrollwork was sewn first as on the original using a harness stitch. The beads were then added over the top of stitching as if later work - they are sewn on with a simple running stitch with two beads per stitch leaving a blank space in between each pair of beads. These are the pony trader blue 8/0 Old Style French pound beads from crazy crow. The pouch was stitched at 7 spi so thats what the spas

I used the same technique on this strap and it shows up a bit better since I spaced these at more like 5 SPI


Best thread I've found for beading is silk in a button hole equivalent weight - I'm not sure exactly what size that is in silk since what I've been using is some old heavier weight fly rod wrapping silk thread and the spools are unmarked, but size is real close to cotton/poly buttonhole weight.
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2011, 04:25:44 AM »
Chuck, I'm always amazed when I view your work. Your in a league of your on. Thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2011, 04:32:06 AM »
Incredible!  Really nice looking but I'm most impressed at the aging.  It looks like something I would see in a museum under glass. 
Thanks for sharing the pics and always being willing to explain your techniques. 
Cheers,
Ken
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2011, 08:25:23 PM »
I like em great work
Nothing beats the feel of a handmade southern iron mounted flintlock on a cold frosty morning

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