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Chambers Isaac Haines "Hoss Rifle" Update
« on: February 14, 2011, 12:31:35 AM »
I have just started shooting my "hoss rifle" and so far, its been a real pleasure to shoot. It fits me very well. I have not yet come up with the perfect load, but 75g of FFF and a .490 with a pillow tick spit patch seems to do pretty well for casual targets like gongs out to 100 yards. With no sight adjustment, I seem to be hitting consistenly a bit high and right---I am sure part of that is my usual flinch, but my nieghbor shot it and it hit slightly right of center as well...

I am still experimenting with ball and load, but so far so good.

The trigger release is just about perfect. The gun seems to point naturally, and hang on target. I think its gonna be a good hunting gun.

(I posted pics previously of the gun)
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Re: Chambers Isaac Haines "Hoss Rifle" Update
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2011, 01:03:32 AM »
Ken - is this the slow twist .50?

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Re: Chambers Isaac Haines "Hoss Rifle" Update
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2011, 04:56:52 PM »
yes. 1:80" and the shallow rifling. --I tested at 50 yards on paper, bench rested. And then Saturday I shot offhand at 100 yard gongs.

For the paper, I went up to 95 grains of FF and it seemed like anything from 75 grains and up worked about the same.... 5 shots per, pretty tight vertical strings about the size of fingertips to palm, and about 2-3" to the right of center.  I did get two balls touching with 85 grains... but I have more shooting to prove any kind of consistency...  I figure some or all of the right leaning is my natural flinch.

For the gongs I shot only a few shots--- with 75 gr of FFF and hit the 100 yard 14" wide buffalo gong 2 of 2. and I Hit a 50 yard thin vertical pipe gong first try (I aimed a little low and to the left, and hit it dead center). I only missed one time, and that was a tiny 5 inch wide squarish gong at 100 yards--I ony tried it once then had to leave.

Over-all I feel that this is going to be an accurate gun, I just have to work at it more. I am the weak link.

K
« Last Edit: February 14, 2011, 05:00:04 PM by Ken Prather »
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Re: Chambers Isaac Haines "Hoss Rifle" Update
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2011, 06:41:45 PM »
Sounds good for a preliminary test - I'd prefer to use 2f in heavy charges as I feel it is more accurate and does develope lower pressure which makes it easier on the ball and patch combinations.

I like to bench my guns, holding the forend as if shooting offhand - out by the entry pipe, but resting the back of my hand on the bags. I find this gives me exactly the same poi as offhand - in every rifle I own - ML or modern.

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Re: Chambers Isaac Haines "Hoss Rifle" Update
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2011, 07:11:36 PM »
yeah-- I benched it two weeks ago using FF, then this week when I shot the gongs I was trying to use up my last bit of FFF. I am not sure, but I am feeling like this gun might prefer FFF instead of FF. But my plan is to work up the best load with FF first, then try FFF and see if I can do any better.

I was kind of surprized that my natural flinch to the right would reflect in my bench shooting too... I might need to try and hold the gun a little differently. I think the vertical strings were due to me holding the gun too lightly--- or???

K
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Re: Chambers Isaac Haines "Hoss Rifle" Update
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2011, 07:44:18 PM »
If the gun is held differently shot to shot, the ball will impact accordingly. The longer the barrel, the greater the need for perfect follow through.

Normally when shooting off a bench, even though held in both hands, the flinch disappears - once a fellow is used to shooting a flint rifle.  I find using the bench technique as noted above, I can trust my sights if sighted to the bench grouping.

Once sighted in, you can try resting the gun at different locations along the stock, letting the gun rebound and observe the point of impact change, if any.

It is possible there will be none, depending on the particulars of the stock, your own body and how they fit together.  If the butt is positioned too far out on the arm, ie: stock too long, this alone can have the effect of throwing shots to the right (right handed) as the gun 'throws' or 'moves' that way under the start of recoil.  This is why I like to hold flat or shotgun butted stocks on my pectoral muscle or between pec and shoulder, resting on muscle, not arm - recoil comes straight back and gun stocks of shorter length are easily shot accurately.  Once recoil is taken up by the arm rather than heavy body muscle, point of impact can shift- easily and quickly.
Another rule, both feet flat on the ground. Think solid.

I still pull the odd shot off when shooting on the bench, but it is rare now.  There is no solid reason for it, just a twitch when it shouldn't happen - and usually on the 5th or 10th shot of an otherwise stellar group.

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Re: Chambers Isaac Haines "Hoss Rifle" Update
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 08:30:30 PM »
You might want to make sure that the forarm is consistantly in the same place and not able to recoil to one side as you shoot of the bench.

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Re: Chambers Isaac Haines "Hoss Rifle" Update
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 08:35:33 PM »
Thanks for the direction.  I am confident that my posture and hold both on bench and offhand needs a LOT of help. I'll make a note to try these suggestions.

thanks,

Ken
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Re: Chambers Isaac Haines "Hoss Rifle" Update
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2011, 09:57:29 AM »
Might the verticle stringing be different lighting on the front sight?  Since it takes so long to load out smokepoles and get back into position you might be experiencing what service rifle shooters do when the sun is in and out of clouds. Your eye can't pick up a defined edge if there is glare off the sight so it makes the visible part of your sight change height and thickness so your groups open up. It might be interesting to soot your sights to see if anything changes.
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Re: Chambers Isaac Haines "Hoss Rifle" Update
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2011, 09:08:39 PM »
I will try that too, thanks.

Ken
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