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Offline Tommy Bruce

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fixing bark inclusions
« on: March 12, 2011, 06:43:38 PM »
Ok this is probably a pretty lame thread for some experienced builders but from time to time I see stocks marked down in price due to having a bark inclusion.  Please excuse my ignorance but how does this affect the final product?  Can they be fixed?  Are they just cosmetic issues or can they cause structural problems with the stock.

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Re: fixing bark inclusions
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2011, 07:59:21 PM »
Good stock wood does not grow on trees.  A bark inclusion almost always has to be cut out, and a plug made to tightly fit the hole.  Lots of European guns have them, as they are made from highly figured wood and a lot of stump wood, where the tree grows in swirling and twisting ways.  I have never hesitated to use such a blank, and do not mind the obvious repair.  If the rest of the gun is architecturally sound, the "blemish" does not detract from beauty or worth of the piece.  Mike Brookes posted some images of a wormy rifle he made some years ago, and I thought it was so cool and full of character.  And I've seen stocks that were outstanding that had a mineral deposit and were marked down in price as seconds.  Such a deal for the builder who can see past the dark slash or blotch.
As far as the structural integrity of the stock, I don't think that the patched stock can tell the difference.  In a longbow, if there is a crumbly knot in the working limb, it is simply cut out, and a "dutchman" glued in, and the bow is happy.  And a bow's wood does a lot more actual work that a rifle stock.
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Re: fixing bark inclusions
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2011, 08:34:31 PM »
I have a Frank Bartlett rifle that has a bearutiful striped stock but there were several bark inclusions in the staock. They are fairly long and slim inclusions, that Frank fixed by filling them with Micro Bed two part epoxy. The MB is a brown color and blends very well into the color of the stock. You don't notice that they are there unless you really look for them.
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Re: fixing bark inclusions
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2011, 08:50:31 PM »
I'm no gunstocker, but I build furniture and use a lot of figured hardwoods. A shop essential is System-Three two-part 5-minute epoxy and a range of earth tone artist's acrylics. I mix up a little bit of epoxy on a scrap of the wood I'm repairing (using a 6" stainless steel ruler as a spatula) and the color the epoxy with VERY SMALL dabs of paint. Too much paint seems to affect the cure, and it doesn't blend with the wood well--too obviously colored.

Save small cutoffs from the piece(s) of wood you are using, and with some searching and twisting and turning, you can usually find a piece that you can cut out to make a "dutchman" to fill bigger flaws--or goofs.
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Re: fixing bark inclusions
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2011, 09:12:10 PM »
I'm new to this gun building disease but quite familiar with wood longbows and bows with character, ie knots, twists, curves and holes filled with dutchmen are signs that the bowyer knows his business and they demand a premium. I can't see why it would be  any different with these beautiful guns that are built here and will strive to get my gun building talents up to taking on one of these "undesireable" stock blanks. Frank

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Re: fixing bark inclusions
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2011, 02:49:22 AM »
So does a small bark inclusion that is not fixed cause structural problems?

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Re: fixing bark inclusions
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2011, 03:16:57 AM »
It would depend where it was...the worst place would be on the opposite side of thew lock bear the top of the channel, and just forward of the rear lock bolt.  There is just NO wood there and punky wood would be bad.
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Re: fixing bark inclusions
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2011, 05:01:24 AM »
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Re: fixing bark inclusions
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2011, 05:43:16 AM »
Tommy / Wetzel,

Bark inclusions can certainly be fixed, and I think it depends primarily on the depth of the inclusion and location as to wether it's going to cause any problems structurally.  All the methods descirbed work well to "fix" an inclusion.  I recently finished a rifle with an inclusion on the right side of the tang/wrist area around the end of the tang.  It wasn't deep (1/16 or so) and I glued it.  I'm certain there's no structural issues with it.  Had that same inclusion been deeper, I would probably have treated it a little differently based on it's location.

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Re: fixing bark inclusions
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2011, 08:43:24 AM »
Okay, how bout a bark inclusion with an intake valve inclusion? How do you fix that?   





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Re: fixing bark inclusions
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2011, 07:18:38 PM »
That makes sense, I can see where depending on where it is would really affect the structural integrity of the rifle.  Great pictures!  Do any of you have step by step pictures of you fixing a bark inclusion?  I would absolutely love to see them as I am sure some day I will need to perform a similar operation.

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Re: fixing bark inclusions
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2011, 12:29:29 AM »
Westerner, I would suggest lapping that valve before you fix the inclusion. ::)
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