Author Topic: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers  (Read 7587 times)

J1776

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Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« on: April 20, 2011, 04:30:40 PM »
Fellas,... just wanted to double check things....

I found on another board these calculations given when trying to figure out what size drill bits for what calibers.
Would you agree these are accurate?

thanks much. ;)

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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2011, 05:08:33 PM »
 This should help, I thought we had one here but could not find it.

 http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/192279/


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J1776

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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2011, 09:08:33 PM »
BINGO!!!!
Thank you very much!
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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 04:37:50 PM »
dang it It won't let me on

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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 12:09:20 AM »
dang it It won't let me on

.32=21/64
.36=3/8
.40=27/64
.45=29/84
.50=1/2
.54=35/64
.58=19/32
.62=5/8
.69=11/16
.75=3/4


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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 03:30:10 AM »
Thanks all,.. much appreciated!

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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 07:43:48 AM »
A hint a real old timer gave me years ago was:

When enlarging a hole in a loading block that is too tight, use a rat tail file to make it slightly clover-leaf shape to give grooves for the patch to expand into and thereby not scrape off as much patch lube.

Dave Dolliver

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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2011, 08:57:34 AM »
Thanks fellas,.. upon careful, mindful consideration, I'm passing on the loading block.  To much myth as to its actual use in the 18th cent. to warrant it for me personally.
Thanks all for the helpful responses.  I'm more than sure the calculations will come in handy regardless,...loading block or no loading block.

Again, much thanks,... you fellas are always very helpful.

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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2011, 04:06:56 PM »
On of the PC/HC method of carrying balls at the ready was in one's mouth....of course they were dealing with life or death and didn't know the dangers of lead poisoning.  Knowing what we know now, I think those who carry a loading block would be forgiven.  You can always carry it clenched in your teeth if you like.  J.D.K.
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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 04:35:26 AM »
On of the PC/HC method of carrying balls at the ready was in one's mouth....of course they were dealing with life or death and didn't know the dangers of lead poisoning.  Knowing what we know now, I think those who carry a loading block would be forgiven.  You can always carry it clenched in your teeth if you like.  J.D.K.

Yes, I've read about the mouth reloading,...very impressive! 

On a personal level, I'm not worried about what others may think of using one or not, it's just a personal thing for me, for me, I need to respect history as much as I can, honoring those who made it, and represent it as best I can with the knowledge I am privy to. I've been involved with WWI and WWII living history, and it has always been a very important thing to correctly represent the "realities" if you will, of historical fact, rather than good imagination, or interesting assumptions on what was, could have been, etc. 

If someone wants to wear a loading block, more power to them, just as long as they realize (of course this goes for anyone involved in living history) that they are, what I have coined many years ago,....

"Caretakers of history!"

...and as such, I feel people, certainly myself, need to pass on factual info to the younger generation. 

That's why I like it when "I had read of those who will wear and use them but will also make sure that they make it known that it is an historically inaccurate accoutrement for the 1700s.  We're making up for what the youth may not learn in their history classes, and indeed I have always seen myself as a way for a young fellow to delve deeper into a history they otherwise would never have been able to physically interact with on such a level of seeing what "was" not what "maybe was, possibly, etc. etc??" 
We have such little to go by in certain areas of history, I wonder if its due to the same inconsistencies we see in living history?...a similar mindset perhaps?

Anyway,... no big deal, its just my take on things.
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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2011, 04:37:58 PM »
Oh, in that context I agree completely.  If you are going for historical accuracy for living history events than by all means don't use one.  When you started this thread I thought you might be making one for practicality on woods walks or hunting and such.

A little sound advise though:  Just remember, in reenacting as in life, safety always comes first.  So, unless you are being chased by injuns, keep your balls out of your mouth....especially while running. ;)  (You could choke on them....or get lead poisoning!!!)  :P  J.D.K.
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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2011, 05:13:28 PM »
I remember seeing a picture of a highly decorated loading block in Muzzle Blasts some time back. It had the date 1757 carved into it, and it was being presented as an original. What's up with that?

I have a hard time believing that absolutely nobody conceived of the idea of drilling holes in a block of wood to hold patched balls before the 19th century. I can imagine that they weren't common, rifles themselves being less common than smoothbores. I can also imagine old, outmoded, or damaged loading blocks going into the fireplace almost immediately. The picture I saw was of a highly decorated one, so maybe that saved it.

Boorstin's Law: The past looks better than it actually was because only the high quality stuff survived.

But we've had this debate already, right?

More to the point, I always drill my loading blocks a little undersized and then sand them out to fit just so. There's a fine balance between a block that's so tight it's like starting a ball just to get it in the block, and one that lets the ball drop out with a sharp impact.

I also start on the muzzle side of the block with a wide, shallow hole, maybe 1/16" to 1/8" deep, that just fits over the barrel. That allows me to center the ball on the muzzle instantly. It helps when I'm running a timed course - a few seconds here and a few seconds there. I need all the help I can get.

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Re: Loading Block Drill bit sizing vs. calibers
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2011, 06:25:15 PM »
I remember seeing a picture of a highly decorated loading block in Muzzle Blasts some time back. It had the date 1757 carved into it, and it was being presented as an original. What's up with that?

I have actually seen and handled this loading block.  It is part of the Swan collection on display at Washington Crossing State Park in NJ.  I know Kels Swan personally and he has let me handle the loading block - with white gloves, of course.  It is a genuine piece of history.

I am not sure how many period blocks have survived.  I have seen a few others that may be original.  It make me wonder how common they actually were.

James
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