Patent breeched caplock and history ?

[Skychief]

I am wanting to build a caplock with a non-hooked patent breech, with wedges instead of pins, either full or half stocked.   I am wanting a 32 caliber with a slim or swamped barrel.

Historically speaking, can you name any rifles from the past that are as described above?   I am interested in trying to remain HC.

Many thanks, Skychief.

[Skychief]

Also, do you know if the original Hawken "squirrel" rifles were all Hooked-breeched?

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

You could build a Hawken squirrel rifle either way, and it would be correct, I think.  I'd build one either way for sure, and not be concerned about being HC.

[Dphariss]

Also, do you know if the original Hawken "squirrel" rifles were all Hooked-breeched?

Even Hawken mountain rifles were not all hook breeched. But it was generally the case with the later rifles.
There are 15 rifles, 9 in "Kentucky Rifles and Pistols 1750-1850", and 6 more in "The Kentucky Rifle a True American Heritage in Picture" that have patent breeches.
One is listed as 30 caliber and a number are under 40. Most do not appear to be "hooked".
Patent beeches were very common on the better grade guns.
This should take you to a S Hawken Squirrel Rifle in the Cody Firearms Museum
http://old.bbhc.org/collections/bbhc/CFM_ObjectPage.cfm?museum=CFM&VarObjectKey=40436

And a FS "Mountain" rifle with a solid patent breech
http://old.bbhc.org/collections/bbhc/CFM_ObjectPage.cfm?museum=CFM&VarObjectKey=38459

There are 2 other FS HAwkens one with a solid and one with a hook breech. One set of photos in the digital collection is actually these 2 separate guns. One has been converted from flint (and is hooked) but is what appears to be a Kentucky style heavy match rifle weighing 15 pounds.
http://old.bbhc.org/collections/bbhc/CFM_ObjectPage.cfm?museum=CFM&VarObjectKey=32976

The 1/2 stock Hawkens they have in the digital collection that I looked at all appear to be "hooked".
Dan

[Skychief]

Thanks for your replies guys.   BTW, I did a search last night and found that Cody digital collection.....lots of fodder for good ideas there!

Thanks again, Skychief.