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McLeanWelsh

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re finishing a stock and gun
« on: November 08, 2011, 02:39:08 AM »
So I have had this reproduction for a while picked it up for $100 bucks. She was in rough shape, So I cleaned it all up and put a sling on it.

However I really don't like the colour of the wood. I pack this one along with my Pennsylvania rifle when hunting because its light and gives me a quick follow up shot if I need it.

What I want to do it refinish the stock to be a dark brown, I want it to look more antique I guess and so it matches my other one. Also I Want to darken the leather to a deep brown colour.

Not to sure how to go about this, Never refinished a stock or stained one for that matter.   

Any help is much appreciated.

P.S. I'm in a very small town going to school and don't have much money for this project so i'm looking for the cheap homespun version of how to do this  ;D



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Re: re finishing a stock and gun
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 03:20:46 AM »
If you put your location in your profile it would help.  There are probably many out there, like me, that have half used bottles of stain and finish who wuold be glad to give it to a new builder just starting out. 

Don't use the stain the big box stores sell, minwax, formbys, etc....  Get a gun specific stain, which is actually dye.  I never did, but some use leather dye.

Bill

Offline mark esterly

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Re: re finishing a stock and gun
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 04:13:34 AM »
he's in quebec
living in the hope of HIS coming.......

McLeanWelsh

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Re: re finishing a stock and gun
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 04:17:57 AM »
Yeah, I just changed that to be on there. I just moved here from BC for gunsmithing school sadly its the only one in the country :P I also happen to speak no french!

Mclean



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Re: re finishing a stock and gun
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2011, 09:59:44 AM »
QUOTE "Not to sure how to go about this, Never refinished a stock or stained one for that matter."

REFINISHING A STOCK 101

1) Remove all metal parts. Pay attention to where each screw comes out, some look the same but could be different threads or length.

2) Strip stock of finish, DO NOT SAND. Buy a comercial stripper, follow directions on can, do it OUTDOORS and WEAR PROTECTIVE GLOVES. You can also strip it with Laquer Thinner, its cheaper but VERY flamable.

3)De-whisker-- Wet stock with a rag and warm water. The water raises the grain and and you then sand carefully AFTER IT DRIES with fine sand paper (150-180 grit) to remove the raised grain (whiskers). do this  until you cannot feel the grain raise when you wet it. Pay attention to stock contour, corners, edges etc. do not change the shape of anything. you will need  a sanding block (or two or three of various sizes) and other various paper backers to fit the different contours. To get in to convex places (around lock panels)  use sandpaper wrapped around dowel rods. Always sand with the grain and pay attention to STOCK SHAPE,  DO NOT REMOVE TOO MUCH WOOD. I like to sand with the buttplate and nose cap on to keep the mating surface square and sharp. These parts will then need to be polished out. Finish stock with a light sanding of about 300 grit. Remove all sanding dust by blowing into mortices and brushing stock briskly with a large, dry paint brush.

4) Now you need to re-install all metal parts to make sure you didn't remove too much wood somewhere. If something doesn't fit right now is the time to fix it.

5) Remove all parts again and stain with a quality Gunstock stain, they are usually very concentrated and can be thinned with alcohol before useing. Most 'smiths have their own recepies and mix different colors or apply different colors to get the curl to show to its best advantage. I would just start with a walnut stain mixed 50/50 with alcohol in a seperate container. If its too light for you then mix it heavier till you get the color you want. It will be closest to finished color when it is wet. Laurel Mountain Forge is a good brand to start with.

6) Finish---This is the most controversial step as most 'smiths have their own "pet"  recepie that they swear by. Since you said this is a hunting gun  I will tell you what I would do. I would liberaly soak the stock with Thompsons Water Seal, pour it down the ramrod hole, lock mortice, in barrel channel etc., just drench all areas  with it, let it soak in for 15 minutes , then wipe it dry. Let it set 24 hours and do it again. let it set for 24 hours. Mix TWS with Formbys satin finish 50/50 and with a small brush coat inside lock mortice, barrel channel etc, and paint a light coat on entire stock and hand rub it in till it dries. let it set 24 hours and do it again. Finally hand rub a coat of pure Formbys on to exposed stock surfaces, let it set 24 hours and do it again.... let it set 24 hours. I have given stocks as little as two and many as eight "final" finishes,.

7) Re-assemble entire gun....You're DONE!!!!!



















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Ed Hamberg

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Re: re finishing a stock and gun
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2011, 08:34:26 PM »
That stock is beech or birch or some such.  Those woods are difficult to stain to get a nice even dark color.  Your best bet it to dye it with a medium brown or red-brown walnut water soluble aniline dye.  You'll need to have all the old finish off and have sanded it lightly.  Enough aniline dye to do about 40 stocks  (1 oz.) will cost about $3.00.  You could also use a alcohol soluble one - see Longknife's post - but I prefer the water soluble ones.  Buying the dye from woodfinishing enterprises is going to be much cheaper than buying a prepackaged, partially diluted and much price marked up version of the same thing from LMF.

Tom

McLeanWelsh

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Re: re finishing a stock and gun
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2011, 09:26:22 PM »
Im going to go to canadian tire today and have a look at what i can find. We dont hve much here for stores, the only other one is home hardware. So ill see what i can find and then let you gentlemen know.

Thanks again, McLean

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Re: re finishing a stock and gun
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2011, 09:27:40 PM »
If it is beech, it is indeed hard to stain deeply and/or evenly, but it can be done with some work.  The dye stains work best, as already stated.  There are a couple of other tricks you can pull also.  One, make some vinegar and iron and let it sit a couple of days until it turns the wood dark grey when it dries after application.  I found putting that on and then a dye stain after the vinegare/iron dries will darken the dye stain considerably and doesn't cloud the figure.  Try it on a piece under the buttplate or something, because organic mixtures tend to vary.  When I put a couple of teaspoons of iron filings in a cup of white vinegar, it seems to only take a couple of days to get the grey color, whereas it will not develop any red tint for some time (weeks, months, ...).

You can also go a shade or two darker than your stain job by tinting the finish with black, brown, red or some combination.