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Offline D. Taylor Sapergia

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My Hawken sights
« on: October 07, 2012, 02:03:20 AM »
Someone reintroduced a link to the photos I posted of my Hawken rifle, and as I viewed them, I realized I had not given my update on the sights.  As you recall, the rear sight, though a copy of a Hawken original, was rather 'radical'.  Also remember that my front sight was unusually high.  Well, i tested the rifle and frankly, I ddn't like the results.  I could not get consistent results at 100 and 200 yds so I changed first the rear one, then filed down the front to give me the point of impact I wanted.  The photos below are of the new rear sight, the filed down front sight, and a facsimile of a group I shot at 100 meters.
When I first made the new rear sight, it had a very tiny "V" notch, and I had to file most of the front sight away to get the balls on the target at 200 meters.  Let me say, I've never started sighting in a new rifle at 200 meters before.  Interesting.  All the time I was shooting and filing, I was also changing patch material and lube, and weight of powder.  By the time the afternoon was through, I was shooting my .613" balls (from a .610 Lyman mold), a .020" denim patch with spit for lube, and 125 grains of FFg GOEX, and consistently hitting the ten inch white bull from the bench.  So just for laughs, I swung over to a 9" square steel plate, and fired the rest of the balls I had on the table (6) without a miss.  I was pretty happy.
So next time out, I tried the rifle at 100 meters, and naturally was shooting really high over the target.  With the tiny notch in the flat top of the rear sight, I was unable to find a comfortable picture at 100 meters.  So I ran a hacksaw blade down the notch a good ways, and tried again.  Now I could bring the balls down onto the target, but with such a thin cut, I had a lot of trouble seeing the target.  I'm primarily concerned with hunting moose with this rifle, so I needed a sight that I was able to acquire my target quickly, and still give me the accuracy I wanted, both at 100 and 200 meters.  So, back in the shop, I ran a drill bit through the bottom of the slice, then with needle files, opened up the sight to what you see in the photos.  So for 100 meters (110 yds) I see the entire front sight and a tiny sliver of barrel as I depicted in the report in the last image above.  As in all my shooting, I place the tip of the front sight precisely where I want the ball to hit - centre of target.  On the target I've drawn the six circles indicating the shots as they appeared on the torn up target - ranging from ~ 12 o'clock up to 1 o'clock.  The patch material for this target was Daryl's Railroad mattress ticking that I measure at .020", pure neatsfoot oil for lube (patches soaked to dripping) and 127 grains of FFg GOEX because that's how the measure I made turned out.  The real target has an 8" black pull, and I'm going to try adding a 2" white dot to make acquiring the center a little easier.
At two hundred meters, I still have a small enough 'notch' to make accurate shooting possible.  I'll want to try it again to be sure before I hit the woods.
So, the Hawken sight has evolved according to the needs of my sad old eyes, but I'm pleased with it now.






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Re: My Hawken sights
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2012, 06:56:29 AM »
Very interesting sight Taylor.  I haven't tried the last version yet, maybe I'll bypass it & try this one., I like it!

Daryl

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Re: My Hawken sights
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2012, 07:45:58 PM »
Personally, I really liked the first sight, however it would be nigh-on difficult to see early or late in the day, in the bush - about impossible really. This one is much better for hunting while the other in my opinon, better for targets. I've shot apertures since '73 and they are the most accurate for target shooting.

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Re: My Hawken sights
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2012, 10:21:00 PM »
That's certainly a notch shape I haven't seen before. Glad it works out for you.

I have an odd request. I see that you used a chisel to open up the dovetail, this is something I've yet to learn to do, I'm still using a file for the entire dovetail. Can you post a pic of the chisel you used to do that? I have an assortment of cold chisels laying around, but would like to see what kind of chisel you use, since it's obviously a very good dovetail job. Thanks. Bill

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Re: My Hawken sights
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2012, 01:03:19 AM »
  You sly devil, ;D I see what you're doon! So for 100yds and under,you bury the site in the balloon.Over 2 hundred,  holding the blade proud of the rear site's horizontal you still have a reference with the base,. ,Ha! You sneeky ol' @$#%,lol! ;)

Offline D. Taylor Sapergia

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Re: My Hawken sights
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2012, 05:09:22 AM »
...zackly!
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Re: My Hawken sights
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2012, 05:37:57 AM »
That one hundred and under portion of the sight is almost a peep sight. 

Daryl

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Re: My Hawken sights
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2012, 08:22:06 PM »
The problem encountered with a straight sided slot was seeing enough light on each side along with the 'target' when the blade was burried for closer, 100yard shooting.  Consistancy was difficult on the target, even of fthe bags. He could make a couple or three touch, then minor light changes would screw things up and shots would be thrown 4 or 5" away.

Still, that accuracy is not too bad for hunting, at 100yards, however without perfect lighting, the sight or the target disappeared. More light was needed and this design provided it for Taylor.

 

sweed

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Re: My Hawken sights
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 09:43:04 PM »
Thanks
This post validates what I've been dreamin'up for my .45 LR. so I can have a good sight at 100 yd for deer, and still be able to hit a squirrel  or rabbit at 25.  Also thought if the top of the rear sight was flat and exactly the right width, it could be used to compare to the length of a deer and know for sure if he is less than 100, over 100, or totally out of range. ;) My old eyes don't range as good as they used to, and I'd feel really silly carrying a lazer range finder along with a smoke pole! ::)

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Re: My Hawken sights
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2012, 02:46:52 AM »
sweed - The standard blade front sights on our longrifles, have about a 45 degree angled flat spot on the back edge- that when looking over the sighits makes a shiny dot, like a bead. 

That 1/10" diameter dot, if held above the flat of the rear sight with the .40 and .45 rifles, gives very close to a 100yards zero the ball stiking on top of that shiny dot's surface. This is what some of us use for the longer shots on our bush trail, 95 to 109 yards range.  In a dark bush, you might not see well enough to use a long vertical slot.  I guess it depends on what you use your rifle for, the most, shooting at close range, or 100yards or further.