Author Topic: J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill  (Read 4761 times)

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J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill
« on: December 04, 2012, 10:37:58 PM »
Does anyone know if J. R. Bean who worked in Illinois is from the Tenn Bean family?  The rifles
is an over under with round barrels percussion with barrel and lock marked J. R. Bean.
Lots of silver inlays.
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Re: J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2012, 10:48:53 PM »
Curtis Johnson's book  Gunmakers of Illinois has about a page and a half on him.I quote-

Bean,Joseph Russell

"The youngest son of noted Tennessee gunsmith Russell Bean and Rosamond Robertson Bean..........

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Re: J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2012, 11:01:04 PM »
Thanks for the quick response JW.  I wish I had Curt's book to know what else it says.
My friend is looking at buying it.  I really like the Bean Tenn rifles and wonder if it shares
their architecture.  Trying to help him out.  He didn't take any pictures for me ???
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Re: J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2012, 11:14:35 PM »
You ought to contact Mr.Johnson,someone mentioned he was a member of this forum.The last sentence of the information on Bean in his book is-

"A signed rifle by Joseph Russell Bean would be a fascinating piece of Illinois history,but no such rifle thus far has come to light."

You may have something pretty special there.

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Re: J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2012, 11:48:19 PM »
Ditto that...Curt would be pretty interested I think...but it seems strange that it would not be
more typically southern.
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Re: J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2012, 02:21:08 AM »
I suspect that this rifle is one of dozens of spuriously marked guns, that were sold by the Rock Island Auction Company, at one of their regional auctions, Feb. 25, 2006.  In fact, I would bet that it is Lot # 117 in the catalog for that auction. It matches the description exactly. These guns all came from the estate of a collector in St. Charles, Illinois.  Many of them were marked with the names of Galena area/Jo Daviess County, Illinois gunsmiths.  Joseph R. Bean is one of those gunsmiths.  There were over a dozen marked with the name of "J. A. Maltby, Galena", who was a noted Plains rifle maker during the 1850's. All of these guns are stamped with individual letter stamps, not one-piece stamps like gunsmiths typically used.  Whoever faked these markings, also stamped the lock plates with the same names, which instantly raises a red flag. These guns are definitely old, but were apparently unmarked pieces that were stamped with these names in recent times. After being scattered to the four winds at the auction, most of them have now changed hands a number of times, and seem to have developed a life of their own.  I have seen a number of them turn up at gun shows, and online. I have kept that auction catalog, so that I can identify them when they turn up.  The forgeries are not limited to guns, there are also knives, powder horns, and other accouterments, which are more difficult to spot.

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Re: J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2012, 03:10:55 AM »
Greatly appreciate the info Curt.  Could you scan that photo for me
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Re: J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2012, 04:28:51 AM »
Wow, that is very important info for a collector of IL rifles to have. I am sure this is just one of many cases. Seems like they was a story about a bunch of New England Guns that something like  this was done to many years ago & they still pop up. What would be the best thing to do if you have a rifle that has a forged signature, have it removed? I sure would not want to pass it on. Thanks Curt for that knowledge.

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Re: J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2012, 08:46:53 AM »
I guess that if I owned one of these guns, I would remove the markings.  There is no way I could allow it to pass from my hands, otherwise.

Rob, send me a message with your e-mail address. I may not have to scan the catalog, I saved color photos from the online catalog and I think I still have them.

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Re: J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2012, 03:20:31 PM »
Will do Thanks Curt
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Re: J. R. Bean, Daviess Cty Ill
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2012, 08:23:48 PM »
Well, Curt saved my friend from making a mistake and purchasing a gun with a dubious signature.
He is extremely thankful for the act of kindness in sharing information.   :)
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