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Rifle signed GWS, GWL, GWJ, GWI any ideas on maker?
« on: November 24, 2012, 03:38:32 AM »
Original untouched rifle a 90 year old friend inherited from his great grandfather.
40 inch barrel of about 32 caliber.  Would appreciate help with identifying the
place of origin and maker for him.  









« Last Edit: November 24, 2012, 03:41:10 AM by Suzkat (Rob) »
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Re: Rifle signed GWS, GWL, GWJ, GWI any ideas on maker?
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2012, 04:42:04 AM »
At first glance the gun tends to have percussion era ca. 1840 Lancaster, PA details in the patchbox with detached side leaves with entwined wriggle engraving, relatively straight butt lines, what appears to be a large, round brass patchbox release button in the toe plate, and engraving on the rear pipe and nose cap. The odd inlays tend to muddle the issue, particularly the fleur-de-lis in the butt and the acorn-like finial on the patchbox. It would be helpful to see the tang on this rifle, to see if it is a longer, two screw style tang that might indicate a more southen origin.

Frank Sellers' "American Gunsmiths" has many gunsmiths with first initial "G" and last initial "S." Often when the middle initial is present and first and second initials are "G W" the first and middle names are George Washington .......  The rifle is a nicely made piece, engraving a little simplistic compared to the well cut barrel initials, but well stocked and mounted. There is a chance the fleur-de-lis is significant and the gun might come from an area with French influences, such as Midwestern locations like Vincennes, IN or over in Illinois where French influences were still strong in the late 1700s and early 1800s...or perhaps New Orleans, etc.

Your friend has a nice rifle, the gunsmith obviously made other rifles to develop his skills to this point, so the gun should eventually be identifiable. Does your friend have any family history with the rifle that might help point us in the right direction as to its possible region of origin?  Shelby Gallien
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Re: Rifle signed GWS, GWL, GWJ, GWI any ideas on maker?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2012, 03:31:47 PM »
Shelby, The original owner moved west from Lancaster area to Western PA
around 1850 and cleared his farm along the Olean Trail where the present
owner still resides.  This supports your Lancaster thoughts.  The original horn
is with the rifle and is a narrow horn with domed plug and although not a
screwtip, does remind of Lancaster horns as well.
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Re: Rifle signed GWS, GWL, GWJ, GWI any ideas on maker?
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2012, 05:23:03 PM »
The patch box looks very similar to the work of the Schuler brothers, Liverpool, Pa.  Although they were named Joseph, John & Samuel.

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Re: Rifle signed GWS, GWL, GWJ, GWI any ideas on maker?
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2012, 11:08:52 PM »
Mr. Suzkat,
  George Sutton ??? ???
  Originally a 'smith in Lancaster, moved west to Westmoreland/Allegheny, worked through the 1860's.
  Just my humble 2d worth.
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Re: Rifle signed GWS, GWL, GWJ, GWI any ideas on maker?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2012, 01:30:00 AM »
The engraved squiggles on either side of the signature are identical to
those on the  nosecap.  I'll see if I can check on a middle name for George
Sutton.   I also wondered about George Smith as he was from the area this
gun came from.
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Re: Rifle signed GWS, GWL, GWJ, GWI any ideas on maker?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2012, 05:11:14 PM »
Lock marked Joseph Goulcher.  Longer 2 screw tang.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2012, 05:11:34 PM by Suzkat (Rob) »
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Re: Rifle signed GWS, GWL, GWJ, GWI any ideas on maker?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2012, 07:44:02 PM »
Bumping
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.