Author Topic: Canoe Gun to Squirrel Rifle  (Read 5519 times)

Daryl

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Canoe Gun to Squirrel Rifle
« on: January 05, 2009, 11:02:33 PM »
Taylor and I (mostly him ;D) pulled the rung .50 cal barrel off my Canoe Gun and replaced it with the shortened 36" .40 cal. Extra barrel I had for my longrifle.  The under-rib Taylor made from curly maple - nice job, too.  It was shot the first time yesterday, never been on paper with it's new sights and shorter barrel as it was 42". I took a guess on sight set-up - probably the reason I missed a couple targets one at 92 yards and the other, 3 links of a chain at about 60 yards.  It's shooting a bit higher than I thought it should and hit the 92 yard target with my 2nd re-entry-HA! shot by aiming at it's middle - a coyote the size of a fox.  I think the 'change' is an improvement. As indicated on the other post, I like the single trigger and the fit of this stock. It's only got a 13 1/8" pull to the centre of the butt and fits a coat perfectly. Without a coat on, one merely holds the right shoulder pocket a bit foreward and the fit is perfect again. Weight is 8 1/2 pounds. Yeah- I know the fore-end should be longer and have 2 keys- it doesn't - Oh well.

 About that .50 barrel ringing.  The sight dovetail and underlug dovetails were a bit too deep and one over the other. That's where it rung.  I'd always used a steel 'range' rod and never shot it without the ball on the powder.  It was made from a piece of old Bauska barrel which may have been leaded steel - something like 12L14 or L10-11 - just a guess - maybe those are both airplanes  ??? The heaviest load used in it was 110gr. 3f GOEX with RB for 1,650fps- about.

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Re: Canoe Gun to Squirrel Rifle
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 01:41:16 AM »
By gosh, Daryl, you're ingenious! Canoe gun, huh? That's where I went wrong when I sent a couple of what I call "grandkid rifles" to TOTW for potential sale. Actually, they're only "partly" grandkid rifles, since that's what I shoot myself -- being too lazy to haul around a 10-12 pound firearm for fun. TOTW informed me that "kid" rifles only fetch about half what a "grownup" version (ie., a bit more barrel length) would sell for. Their appraisal was only about one-third what I paid for the original components, so I had them returned, and they will actually BECOME grandkid rifles. (I have 13 grandkids, so was reluctant to start a trend, see . . .). Next time I try to sell one of my carbines I'll take your lead and call it a "canoe gun." Ingenious! - paulallen

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Re: Canoe Gun to Squirrel Rifle
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 01:57:32 AM »
D, that barrel ringing sounds strange to me. Way out near the muzzle? And never fired  short started?

And, what I imagine, should the barrel be thin, top and bottom, but not on the sides, is that there would be bulges up and down right where the dovetails were cut, but not on the sides of the barrel.

Are you sure the gun didn't get a a noseful of snow by accident?

Anyway, it's a neat looking gun you made, and uh, with a little help from Taylor.

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Daryl

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Re: Canoe Gun to Squirrel Rifle
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2009, 05:28:51 AM »
No- the ring was actually right between the rear sight dovetail and the barrel wedge dovetail. It did ring all the way around, but isn't visible on the outside which is stranger yet.  I'm very sure it has never been short loaded and all the rounds it fired, were at the upper rifle range and loaded with a 3/8" steel rod. The loading was normal stuff. 495" ball and .0215" denim patch and LHV, Hoppe's and spit - all easy loading, evenw ith a wooden rod.  That's gone by the board now - may be a pistol barrel some day - not in a hurry for that.

 Thanks for the kind words on the .40. It's fun to shoot now - accurate too.
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Re: Canoe Gun to Squirrel Rifle
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2009, 06:29:15 AM »
I very much like the new look.  A beautifull Job!

HMMM -  a .595 ball in a .500 bore :o
that coulda dun it ;D
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Re: Canoe Gun to Squirrel Rifle
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2009, 03:45:16 PM »
A friend of mine had a barrel ring and cut it at the ring for a look.  It looked like someone used a torch from the inside to try and cut through.  His you could see and was caused by shooting a shortstarted load.  Doesn't really matter how it happens, the barrel is messed up.  When I started deer hunting with a longrifle this year I thought that they were a real pain, but after use I learned to accomodate and did not find it so bad.  I think that within reason your canoe gun can be that way.  About the only place I found a long barrel to be a pain was in a pickup or car when one wanted to get it into action within the cab.  Law kind of frowns on that anyway.  Good shooting have fun.

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Daryl

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Re: Canoe Gun to Squirrel Rifle
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2009, 06:27:41 PM »
Good job, Lynn, noticing my typo.  I've changed it - small ball it was, only a .495" actual measurement, some 40 of Speer's swaged balls and 50 of some cast by Taylor.  i was dumbfounded by the location until we checked with a jab and found the ring to be at the front of the sight's dovetail and rear of the wedge dovetail.

 Some time ago, Taylor sectioned a barrel that was rung - indeed, it looked as if there was some heavy metal moving - stretched and very rough- almost like it was melted - of coruse, we know it was merely stretched - don't we?  there was 'some' force applied for sure.

When shooting, I had to wear a glove on the left hand - barrel's pretty cold on the hand compared to a longrifle's wooden stock up there.  I almost tookthe longrifle instead, but wanted to try the .40 out. Glad I did. I'm sure I shot better with it than the .45 long-gun, even though it doesn't hold quite as well.

 One interesting thing we found (maybe only interesting to me) is the lock Garry used when he made the rifle in the first place. The lock is a very old Siler - the balance between the springs must be perfect along with proper hardening of the frizzen. The throw is fairly short, but this lock is absolutely amazing.  With well over 150 snaps on the original flint, at Hefley last August, shooting at the range and dryfiring in my basement- the flint was rounded with some flat edges along the striking face and very thick - perhaps .200" across the front edge, yet it was still sparking.  I put on a new flint just because, and shot the day with it, never toughing the edge and it was still razor sharp after the day's shooting. The flint did fracture and lose about 1/3" of it's width, yet the remaining 'edge' is as sharp as a 'just knapped' flint and works perfectly.

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Re: Canoe Gun to Squirrel Rifle
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2009, 11:27:46 PM »
Sorry Daryl - Couldn't Resist - Just giving you a hard time ;)
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Re: Canoe Gun to Squirrel Rifle
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2009, 12:45:04 AM »
S'OK, Lynn.
I checked the trigger's weight - 34 ounces every time. Nice and reliable.  It feels a pound lighter due to it's width and angle. No creep. 8 pounds 8 ounces- nice and light, but enough weight out front for a descent hold. I think with a steel underrib, the weight would have been too much for a 'light' rifle.  6" off the 42", 7/8 X .40 cal. barrel sure makes a lighter feel.  It's 1#7oz. lighter than before.  Full length made for a very steady platform for offhand shooting. At 36", it's not quite as nice holding, but still light at the end of the day.