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Virginiaboy

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Target rifle
« on: May 08, 2013, 04:15:46 AM »
What is the difference in a target rifle and a regular rifle?

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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2013, 05:07:02 AM »
What kind of target rifle?

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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2013, 05:15:20 AM »
This man called it a shooting match rifle

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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2013, 05:26:45 AM »
Back in the day, mid 1800's on, a target rifle or shooting match rifle was generally much heavier than a sporting, or everyday rifle. Rifles for match shooting could weigh upwards of 30 pounds, fitted with a false muzzle, peep or telescope sites and other accoutrements for target work and not meant nor made to be lugged in the woods. Your sporting rifle was just that - a game getter, a working rifle lighter and more handy in the bush.

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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2013, 05:33:11 AM »
Some of the rifles made in those olden days were made just for match shooting over the log so were made heavey and less likley to be used for the average woodsmans needs. Those woodsmen could have and probably did use their regular rifles for shooting matches but some might have been affulent enough to have more than one gun. Fast forward a couple hundred years and there are alot more than over the log matches so target rifles have been developed to compete in very spesific matches. Because of all the variences in those matches, target rifles can varry quite alot.

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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2013, 07:41:37 AM »
Even during the 19th Century, there were at least three distinctly different types of target rifles in use in the USA.  One type was indeed, the heavy, long barreled, "over-the-log" rifles (AKA "chunk-guns"), of the type smylee mentioned.  These were round-ball guns, generally with fixed, open sights.  Matches were generally at sixty yards, prone position.

 A second type, more common in the northeast and upper Midwest, was the "yankee" target rifle, intended for bench rest shooting at long range.  These were sometimes extremely heavy, rifled with gain-twist, or a uniform fast twist, and intended to shoot an elongated bullet, rather than a round ball.  Matches were usually between two individuals, and at ranges of forty or eighty rods (220 or 440 yards). 

The third type was the "Schuetzen" target rifle, popular in communities with German, Swiss, and Austrian heritage.  These were "offhand target rifles", with very distinctive stock architecture, often with massive cheekpieces, palm-rests, elaborate trigger guards, and butt plates.  Matches with these rifles were usually at 200 yards (more elongated bullet guns), and fired from a standing position.

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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2013, 01:43:41 PM »
How rare are they? Maybe one from Southwest Virginia?

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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2013, 05:46:26 PM »
What is the difference in a target rifle and a regular rifle?

A rifle that is in all respects a hunting rifle may be used as both.
A DEDICATED target rifle in generally heavier than the general purpose rifle. Often much heavier.
Most people with rifles back in the day competed in one form or another.
Rifle matches were the primary form or entertainment in many areas most used what ever rifle they owned.

There are at least two flintlock target rifles in Kindig's book. One attributed to A. Klinedinst (14.5 pounds) and another by C. Zorger (17.5 pounds). There is another with a full length sight shade in one of the books but I will let someone else look it up if they want.
There are even multi-purpose and dedicated Schuetzen rifles shown in "The American Percussion Schuetzen Rifle".
Many later percussion target rifles from the Northeast were Underhammer designs or used an action similar to that made by Pete Allen.

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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2013, 05:49:41 PM »
Virginiaboy,
If you are thinking of purchasing a target / bench / chunk rifle let me give you some sound advice. If the rifle is a high art (meaning carved and inlayed) rifle by a favorable maker then it wouldn't be a bad investment. If it is not, then your resale opportunities are slim to none. I am not by any means discrediting these types of rifles, but the collectors of these types of rifles are scarcely numbered. Make sure it is not a momentary infatuation with the rifle, it will be hard to move after the thrill is gone.
Good Luck
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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2013, 09:32:15 PM »
Buck,
The gun was made by my 5th Great Grandfather so it would likely not leave the family if i can bet my hands on it, I am trying to get a collection of just his rifles.

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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2013, 09:46:03 PM »
I hope you succeed in acquiring the rifle, good luck.
Buck

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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 01:16:03 AM »
The rifle may or may not be a target rifle - a lot of rifles from the southern Appalachians and nearby areas - western piedmont NC, SW VIrginia, mid TN, etc.  were made very with very heavy, long swamped barrels - particulary after about 1810 and I don't think it necessarily means they were intended primarily as target rifles. 10-12 pound guns are not uncommon from this region in that era and in spite of being heavy, they do hold very well offhand too.

The accounts of the pursuit of Robert Benge - "The Bench", the Cherokee/Scot warrior who was killed near Big Stone Gap VA in 1794 indicate he was shot with a "20 pound bear rifle that shot a one-ounce ball" - while I find the 20 pound rifle a stretch to believe I do think heavy barreled guns were a lot more common than we think.

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Re: Target rifle
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2013, 03:00:14 AM »
The current and last months issues of Muzzle Blasts has a great article by Dick  Hummel on target rifles. I think he is at 2 articles in a series of 3. You might see if you can get copies or, better yet, join the NMLRA. Thanks, Jack