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Offline Pat_Cameron

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Hooked Breach Flint
« on: January 26, 2009, 07:53:12 PM »
I am pretty new to this longrifle gun building. I am still waiting on some parts for my first project. They should be here last week. So I check the mail every day.
New guys can think of some silly stuff, so go easy on me.
I have a question that has likely been dealt with before but I could not find it. Is it possible to build a "Contemporary" Flintlock Southern Mountain rifle with a hooked breech and wedge keys. So it would be a blend of Southern Mountain rifle and Hawken fullstock.  I know it wouldn't be "period correct" but it sure would make for easy cleaning.

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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 08:05:36 PM »
The problem with removing the barrel from FS guns is that the forend is very fragile without the barrel/

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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 08:14:54 PM »
Why not? JP Beck did it, so did several other Pennsylvania builders in the 1790s and after. Why not on Southern rifles.....you said it would be "contemporary". That opens the door to your imagination!
No scopes though...please. ;)
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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 09:43:41 PM »
Check out the current thread under Antigue Gun Collecting that deals with the rifle at the
Dewitt-Wallace Museum at CW.  I think it might be just what you have in mind.

Jeff
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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 10:41:10 PM »
Quote from: t.caster on January 26, 2009, 08:14:54 PM
No scopes though...please. ;)

Not to worry. Some of my rifles are state of the art technology.
But I wouldn't even put a scope on a lever action rifle. let alone a longrifle.
Somethings have their place. And some things don't belong.


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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 04:29:25 AM »
Pat, Caster, and Jeff...I like fresh ideas, thinking outside the box...go for it!
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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2009, 05:59:17 AM »
Last week my neighbor brought over an antique percussion English fowler and wanted the missing tang screw replaced. The fowler had one key but not a hooked breech.  Under the tang was a flat bottom 5/16" dia. blind hole, 7/8" deep that had remants of threads.  Evidently an exterior threaded insert w/  a threaded hole was used to screw the tang down. How common was this setup in lieu of a hooked breech?.....Fred
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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2009, 06:15:32 AM »
Quote from: flehto on January 27, 2009, 05:59:17 AM
Last week my neighbor brought over an antique percussion English fowler and wanted the missing tang screw replaced. The fowler had one key but not a hooked breech.  Under the tang was a flat bottom 5/16" dia. blind hole, 7/8" deep that had remants of threads.  Evidently an exterior threaded insert w/  a threaded hole was used to screw the tang down. How common was this setup in lieu of a hooked breech?.....Fred

Some had a screw the front finial of the TG to the bottom of the standing breech. This strengthened/stabilized the wrist/breech, at least in hooked breech.

Dan
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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2009, 06:18:25 AM »
Quote from: flehto on January 27, 2009, 05:59:17 AM
Last week my neighbor brought over an antique percussion English fowler and wanted the missing tang screw replaced. The fowler had one key but not a hooked breech.  Under the tang was a flat bottom 5/16" dia. blind hole, 7/8" deep that had remants of threads.  Evidently an exterior threaded insert w/  a threaded hole was used to screw the tang down. How common was this setup in lieu of a hooked breech?.....Fred
Pics would be of interest.

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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 08:09:51 AM »
Fowler is no longer at my neighbors....hanging on a wall at his friend's house. Thanks for the info.....Fred
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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2009, 05:09:13 PM »
My first "scratch built" gun was a tennesse style rifle and I did make a hooked breech with 3 barrel,wedges for it. Birds eye maple, horn inlays all over it, many mistakes but I love it like a son, still have it!!!.....Ed
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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2009, 05:51:16 PM »
How about using "captured keys" (not sure this is correct terminology) like some of the Hampshire County WVA rifles used. I own a Jacob Sheetz with this type of system. It has a straight barrel and tang and on the underside of the barrel the barrel hangers are open on the side toward the breech. The stock has cross keys (again not sure of the terminology) that are fixed, can not be removed. To get the barrel out I remove the tang screw, then slide the barrel forward enough to release the cross keys from the barrel hangers, then pick it straight up. To put back reverse the procedure. After years of use the forearm/loops/cross keys are all still in good working condition.

Sheetz rifles are not considered mountain rifles but certainly are "southern". I suspect some of the other makers in that area made plainer rifles with this type system.

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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2009, 06:15:48 PM »
Ed, that sounds cool ! Got pics for us to see?
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Re: Hooked Breach Flint
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2009, 07:13:47 PM »
Tom, ya got to promise you WON"T LAUGH!!!!!!!!!
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