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Fine Arts Continuum...
« on: November 05, 2013, 05:41:38 PM »
Gentlemen:

Fred and I asked for opinions and opinions have come pouring in. Thank you all.

If you believe as do Fred and I, then we have a basis for agreement in that there aren't enough young faces in our particular community and that we somehow must reach out beyond our comfort zone to introduce others to the long rifle, its art, and its history. Belief and opinion being one thing, but action an entirely different matter.

Several at ALR have invested personal time and treasure into furthering the knowledge of the long rifle outside our little community. While there has been some success we still don't exactly see folks breaking down the doors, except in rare cases. The Artisan Show at Lewisburg being a prime example of success but still perhaps not presenting what I might consider a proactive outreach. All I'm saying is that we seem to lack a concerted and organized effort to encourage interest in our antiques and to educate those outside our circle. I can't help but wonder why we're so blind to this.

So comes the question... What are you willing to do on a personal level? Are you willing to do anything at all?

What if we developed a structured outreach program? Would you personally be willing to invest the time and effort to become a diplomat for the promotion of the long rifle? Would you be willing to learn about the many deeper meanings we see carved or inlaid in our antiques, yet mostly take for granted? Would you be willing to stand at a podium or behind an exhibit table to actively greet and educate even a small child? Would you be willing to seek out possible avenues of interest not in the firearms aspect of our antiques, but in their great beauty and history?
 
And what if as a diplomat you were required to invest some of your own time and treasure? Would you? Just remember that there are those who do and those who talk. Talkers have their place, of course. But talkers will really never be more than spectators. Doers, for good or bad, are the action folks. Doers go out and shake the bushes. They have skin in the game.

So do we sit around and talk? Do we forever discuss? Or do we set a goal for ourselves and make an honest attempt to reach for it? Bear in mind that it took only two people to develop the Virtual Library & Museum. Don't get me wrong here, we encountered the owner and directors of ALR who were gracious enough to gamble on hosting our project and the many who have contributed to the most extensive display of long rifles to be found anywhere on earth! We couldn't have done this without help and we're in debt to everyone who has participated.

Just remember that this is not a game for someone else to play. If you own or value the long rifle, then you already have a personal interest in promoting these unique pieces of art and history. I, myself, look at this as a choice between standing back and watching helplessly as the future of our antiques unfolds, or at least making an effort to direct their future. I'd like to believe that many here at ALR who might rather direct than watch helplessly.

Thank you all once again for your opinions and ideas. Fred and I solicit your assistance in the promotion of the long rifle. Our goal is to develop a program (or programs) which will benefit everyone from owners of the long rifle, to youngsters in school, to educational institutions, and to anyone with an appreciation of fine art and history.

So the invitation is out there for your consideration. Think about it please. The wonderful thing is that we're neither buying nor selling anything... We're giving! And giving in this world today is a unique concept!

« Last Edit: November 05, 2013, 11:17:19 PM by nord »
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Re: Fine Arts Continuum...
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2013, 11:44:49 PM »
Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?

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Re: Fine Arts Continuum...
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2013, 12:05:40 AM »
Art,

I do believe that about sums it up!
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Re: Fine Arts Continuum...
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2013, 12:25:58 AM »
How many ALR members are also CLA members? NMLRA members?
Why so and why not? Those are both outreach type groups as well
with some emphasis on public education relating to the culture of the long rifle.
Many folks there have expended a lot of time and treasure trying to accomplish
just what you describe.

Arts Contemporary Makers Blog as well...it goes above and beyond I think we'd all agree.

Not to forget the Company of Horners...the West Coast trade fairs put on by the Powder horns and more folks...Conner's Prairie.... 
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Re: Fine Arts Continuum...
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2013, 12:34:04 AM »
Gentlemen:

What if we developed a structured outreach program? Would you personally be willing to invest the time and effort to become a diplomat for the promotion of the long rifle? Would you be willing to learn about the many deeper meanings we see carved or inlaid in our antiques, yet mostly take for granted? Would you be willing to stand at a podium or behind an exhibit table to actively greet and educate even a small child? Would you be willing to seek out possible avenues of interest not in the firearms aspect of our antiques, but in their great beauty and history?
 

Short answer - YES.  As perhaps the youngest person (at age 28) involved in collecting, researching (on a limited scale) and building flintlocks fulltime, I have a definite interest in pursuing other avenues for promoting the American longrifle as a piece of art and history.  I went to a liberal arts college and thoroughly enjoyed my education there, but was also surrounded by a majority of anti-gun folks my own age and younger.  When the subject of flintlocks was broached with respect and with a focus on history and art, as well as a "tool" of the colonial times, just about everyone softened up and took a deep interest in what I was doing.  It's all about the approach, the display, and being willing to talk with someone who has a lot of ill-conceived preconceptions about what a flintlock is (as a firearm).  I even ended up building a musket for a teacher that is now used for display and education with school groups who visit.  

I got my start with the MuzzleLoading Mailing List, then found the ALR and then found Dixon's gunmakers fair.  I had no clue what I was getting myself into when I started building a TOTW kit, but had a lot of friendly support from gentlemen on the forums.  I recall Dave Kanger/TOF gave me a copy of McCrory's "The Modern Kentucky Rifle" as well as some Aquafortis to play with... bits of generosity like that go a very long way!  My first year at Dixon's, I was a young 19 y/o carrying a longrifle and I must have stuck out like a sore thumb.  I had great conversations and got support from lots of the best gunsmiths at Dixon's and from folks on the forum who are now close friends of mine.  My interest wouldn't have taken off the way it did without that feedback and support from the community.  

The only negative experiences I've had as a collector and builder is from other experienced collectors and builders who weren't willing to answer some very stupid questions of mine.  I've been given the runaround by collectors a few times I think because I was young - only when they saw my work on the table did they open up to let me in the club, so to speak.  I brushed them off and kept going, but what if that had been my first question or experience with a longrifle?  I might have walked away and gone to something else.  As has been discussed a lot already, the key is being approachable, tolerant of beginner questions, and willing to have good conversation with someone who is not necessarily "in the know".  

I love talking about this stuff with beginners and people my own age.  90% of the time they say "I had no idea these existed!" or something along those lines.  I'm still bouncing around the Pacific Northwest and an contemplating returning to New England or North Carolina to set up a fulltime shop.  I plan to apply to juried art shows and see what other venues I can display my work and collection - Local fairs, farmer's markets, etc.?  Though I've no experience with them, Knights of Columbus, Elks, and Mason Lodges are often looking for guest speakers - it's not as young an audience, but would still spread the word.  Time to get back to work on another pistol...
-Eric

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Re: Fine Arts Continuum...
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2013, 01:12:16 AM »
Nord,
Fine speech, what do you propose or are you looking for ideas from the members?
Buck 

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2013, 01:43:45 AM »
Ideas would be ideal at this time  from the committed. They will be incorporated into, where appropriate, a strategy, which when developed, will be shared with all with a request for help. For those unable to "help", some donation ( funds) from those who support the ideas that are put forth to help defrey personal cost of the "willing"  and "working" would be another consideration to "help."
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2013, 03:44:50 AM »
     A concerted effort is one approach but is not the only solution.  I think each of us most likely is
already an ambassador for the Kentucky longrifle.  Personally, I've spent a very significant amount of
time and money in an attempt to document the Shreckengost family's work.  Countless hours in the car travelling interstate to meet people and photograph nearly 50 Shreckengost rifles.  Hours on the
phone gathering family histories.  Presenting the family rifles to historical societies, family reunions etc.
Anyone who is taking the time to make rifles, horns and bags is contributing to saving the art of the longrifle.  Many of the frequent posters here do just that.  I've gone to dozens of auctions and sales in an attempt to purchase the necessary tools to recreate the Shreckengost rifle shop. 
     If some quality ideas for a concerted effort come from this I will likely participate, but for now
I am and have been going this mostly alone.  I'm confident that by the time I am gone, I will have
saved as much of this history as I possibly can and hopefully somebody will care about it. 
    I like the idea of a travelling exhibit.  I think it would go over well at places like Penn's Colony
Festival and the Fort Roberdeaux Rifle Frolic for example.  It could set up at historical societies
and places like Old Bedford Village.  To make it interesting, the guys from local areas could contribute to the displays for a local flavor.  Mark Tyler is doing an exhibit in and about Huntington Cty this winter which I plan to contribute and attend.  I consider that a great idea and one I might copy here.
    Not sure who is being called out at the start of this thread?
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Re: Fine Arts Continuum...
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2013, 03:55:57 AM »
Gentlemen........as a certified "old f____", I can understand the problem of all the grey haired guys out there with all of the
good guns.   This ratio is prevalent in all organizations today.    I can understand why the KRA is a closed show.  After all,
we have some expensive, irreplaceable items on our tabels and we sure don't some kid dripping ice cream on them.  On the
other hand, we have the CLA show with 300 tables of both contemporary and antique items, most of which are for sale.
Guess what?    You must be a MEMBER to get in.  How in the world are you going to find new "collectors" when you are discouraging them from coming in to have a look..........Don

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2013, 05:03:05 AM »
Our intention is to amplify the works of the many other ( individuals or organizations) on this road in their way they have already chosen. It is  to increase/expand/credit   the already effective efforts underway, new and old, and explore new ways to tap and to create access and information/knowledge for others who might become interested or at least knowledgeable if exposed or made aware...
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2013, 05:04:36 AM »
Amen to brother Don's comments...and how are the CLA members going to continue to sell all their newly-made [non-antique] wares if they don't expand their potential customer base? They differ from the KRA in that they do not have a finite number of items [original Kentucky rifles] to collect and sell among members. Rather, they make many more new items every year, and the organization itself can only absorb so much. They may be the ideal organization to show us how to safely open doors to a wider clientele.   Shelby Gallien

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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2013, 06:56:30 AM »
Gentlemen,
With all due respect, we at the Association of Ohio Longrifle collectors have been left out of the collecting groups that have been discussed up to now. I understand that the predominance of Ohio rifles don't meet the values of some of the kentuckies, with a few exceptions, but we value our arms as much as anyone. With this in mind we have held our annual show/exhibit open to the public for over 35 years in Marietta, Ohio and jhave yet to have a problem. Proper control by exhibiting members as well as the professional security has allowed the visiting public to enjoy the show without undue hassles. The Ohio Historical Society has even sent part of their collection, with docents, to be displayed at our show. The show has been publicized in the local newspaper and on the local television stations and a few of the civic associations, Rotary etc, have had us speak to their groups. It is doable with some fore thought and a lot of common sense. Count me in.
Mark
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2013, 03:37:53 PM »
From the tone I would suspect to not be considered one of the committed. This is a good example of why we haven't had any peach fuzz scampering around. Seems to me that there is a lot half measures being thrown around without any true direction from the overly concerned individuals who stand to lose value in their collection due to the poor choice in inventory and the fact that they were banking on selling less than mediocre pieces at over inflated prices. That's the truth of the matter and the words nobody wishes to say. So there it is I said it! This will be me last posting, good luck to all.
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Smokinbuck I have heard good things about what the Ohio collectors are doing, apologies that they weren't recognized.       

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Re: Fine Arts Continuum...
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2013, 06:10:31 PM »
I don't see this thread going anywhere but downhill so I am going to lock it. If any of you wish to discuss this further you may contact Nord and Hurricane via PM.
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