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ken47

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Ramrod Channel
« on: December 25, 2013, 02:29:04 AM »
Just received a stock from Track of the Wolf. The ramrod channel breaks thru part of the lock mortise. Does this present a problem

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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2013, 03:07:50 AM »
Thousands of guns, old and modern, have the RR channel in the spring mortice. Not a problem.

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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2013, 04:00:24 AM »
Thank you for the advice. I just didn't know whether to start with the breakthrough. I've gotten several stocks from TOW and this is the first that just didn't look correct.

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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2013, 06:52:51 AM »
Better then having it break through the bottom of the forestock. ;D

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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2013, 07:11:57 AM »
If the groove is lined up right, it seems having the drill wander from side to side is pretty rare.  At least that's my experience as I've not had one enter the lock mortise.   Will probably be the next one now...  Regardless, not a show stopper, but nice to avoid if possible.

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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2013, 04:26:44 PM »
The ramrod breaking through into the lock area should not be a problem. the only area that would bother me would be the bottom of the barrel channel for many reasons. TOW is very good about stock returns...if you have any doubt you should return it for another. Good luck with your build.

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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2013, 07:04:06 PM »
  As I said on the other forum , not a  real big issue  unless the  RR ends up rubbing on the main spring of your lock  once the lock is inlet .
  Which can be an issue with pre- carves   when folks pay for the ToW inletting fee as often times the lock  still needs to be inlet more . So assuming that you have not fit the lock yet and the RR channel is already  showing through into the lock mortise , there IMO  maybe a good chance the spring “depending on the lock “  may also end up into the RR channel .

 Now as others have said , not a big issue as that can be corrected . However   you just ended up with more work  on a stock that you paid what , 200 + for .
Add into that  once you start work on the stock ToW wont take it back.
So im thinking the real question  is  one of   are you willing to take a chance  and spend the time correcting the issue ,If you end up having one .

As other have said , its not a show stopper . But at the same time  did you get what you paid for .
 give ToW a call  . tell them what you found and go over it with them before you start

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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2013, 07:25:31 PM »
That shows one of the reasons why so many old guns have tapered ramrods, which should take care of any issues with clearance.

TOW handles thousands of stocks every year so it is safe to say that they would not knowingly send out a stock with a problem; still the occasional one will get through. They have one of the best warranties in the business. Give them a call and discuss it with them.
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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2013, 07:49:22 PM »
Measure your mainspring to see how deep the spring mortise should be. Now measure the mortise depth wit a ramrod in place. More than 1/32 interference is too much in my opinion. Calling for thinning of the mainspring and or heavy tapering of the ramrod. BJH
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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2013, 08:03:24 PM »
Some time ago, Dan Phariss wrote about, and posted pictures of a device that can be used to move the hole in any direction you wish.  It constists of a piece of drill rod with a hook cutter cold forged onto it's working end, and a slight bend or hump to force it against the side you want to move.  You slide the rod in, turn it to orient it so the cutter is where the wood needs to be removed, and withdraw it.  It cuts a shaving of wood from the side of the hole in the direction you wish to move the hole.  I made one, used it and found it to be a great boon.
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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2013, 09:35:10 PM »
Huh? "Not a problem." I don't know how anyone can say that without first seeing where the hole is, how large, and how the exposed ramrod might interfere with the locks operation.
Maybe, you can fix the possible rubbing, maybe, it won't be a problem, but every time you pull the lock out you'll be looking at a hole that shouldn't be there. And so will anyone else that see's it.

Personally, I'd send it back, and moving beyond the PCBS, probably everyone else here would too because they wouldn't want any of their customers thinking that they'd made that mistake.

TOW is a good company that backs its products, and might well give you an upgrade in wood for your time and trouble.

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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2013, 10:34:53 PM »
Consider BJH's reply, then Taylor's, and if neither of those will work, then JTR's reply.  :D
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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2013, 11:53:48 PM »
A couple of years ago I posted photos of a tool I made to change the direction and/or size of a ramrod hole.  Can't find the thread!  I peened the end to create good sharp burr on half the diameter.  I the made a slight bend in the rod about 2 inches from the peened end making sure that my cutting edge was on the inside of the bend.  There was enough spring in the rod that the fit in the hole was snug enough to keep the burr in contact with the side I wanted to change as I pulled the rod out.  Surprising how it quickly it removed the offending wood.

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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2013, 03:58:00 PM »
Talked with TOW. They will exchange the stock for a better one. Thank you for all the answers and advice.  Ken

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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2013, 09:35:06 PM »
Sounds like it worked out OK. Sooner or later though you might have one where you are doing you own inletting and might break through. When that happens, you use the techniques noted above to move the hole and then glue the end of a popsicle stick in the front of the mortise. The sticks are sold at your local grocery store in the frozen section. You may have to come up with a way to clean the ice cream off in order to use the stick ::)

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Re: Ramrod Channel
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2013, 09:47:36 PM »
...and then glue the end of a popsicle stick in the front of the mortise. The sticks are sold at your local grocery store in the frozen section. ....

OMG, too funny.

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