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Offline jrb

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Definition "cutteau"
« on: February 17, 2014, 07:32:41 PM »
Does anyone know what type of knife a "cutteau"  being sold-traded by British traders in ca1760 Ohio might be?

This is a link to the list that uses the word.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5N9OIDFW27EJ:http://gbl.indiana.edu/ethnohistory/archives/miamis13/M61-62_5a.html%2Bgeorge+croghan+sanduskee&hl=en&gbv=2&nfpr=1&filter=0&ct=clnk

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Offline rich pierce

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Re: Definition "cutteau"
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2014, 07:43:06 PM »
This is a topic of intense discussion on Frontierfolk where lots of knowledgable people "librarians" lol know far more than I do.  There is controversy because the word was used in many ways during the period. Sometimes folks who are discerning also look at the prices of the "cutteaus" listed in trade lists and this helps them guess whether these are indeed short swords, long knives, or common French style trade knives.  There is no consensus, and that may be because at different times, in different places, some words have different meanings to different people.  So traders to the Ohio or Illinois country might use the word differently than traders in the Southeast, etc.
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Re: Definition "cutteau"
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2014, 08:11:54 PM »
Yeah, lol, i was going to ask over on F.F. but i thought i remembered the term cutto and various other spellings being fough ,er i mean discussed, there a few years ago, and did'nt want to get anyone all exited.
Thanks much Rich

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Re: Definition "cutteau"
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2014, 09:02:59 PM »
there is of a big chance the term for today would be a couteau or simply knife in those day's pronunciation was different from different groups
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Re: Definition "cutteau"
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2014, 03:35:21 AM »
Reminds me that I saw a fellow yesterday wearing a burgundy-colored shirt with letters spelling out "Wineau." I want one.
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Re: Definition "cutteau"
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2014, 08:59:10 AM »
I believe in "Deerskins and Duffels" by Braund (?), there is a trade goods list from the 1760's that lists large cuttoes and small cuttoes.  I think this was referring to trade in the SE.  I'm writing from memory, so forgive me if I'm wrong on this.

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Offline Elnathan

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Re: Definition "cutteau"
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2014, 03:00:12 AM »
This may help a bit:
http://ofsortsforprovincials.blogspot.com/2013/03/cuttoe-knives-revealed.html

Most likely candidate is a folding knife. Some folding knives got very large - Neumann shows one with a 10.25" blade in Swords and Blades, page 247, for example.
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Re: Definition "cutteau"
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2014, 10:51:00 PM »
Best documentation I have seen.  Thanks, Elnathan!
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Re: Definition "cutteau"
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2014, 02:53:52 AM »
Thanks! everybody.

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Re: Definition "cutteau"
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2014, 01:52:32 AM »
This list seems to show spring knives and the large cuttoes?
page 4, the bottom left 1/4 of the page ???

This link is a pdf download
http://www.aolrc.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/vol-x-no-1-feb-1988.pdf
« Last Edit: February 23, 2014, 01:56:42 AM by jrb »