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mupperm

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couple ?' on my first build
« on: April 03, 2014, 01:37:44 AM »
finally got my shop set up and starting on my first build.  i purchased a Precarved stock however the lock is not inlet. the barrel channel and ram-rod has been drilled. My question is since the webbing is approx a tad over 1/4 thick and the ramrod has already be drilled and channeled,  should i deepen the barrel channel to achieve a 1/8 webbing? 
I also think i need to move the breech further back,  towards the wrist of the stock so my lock can be placed  in the center of the side plate.   since it is a precarved is this common to have so much work needing done?

galamb

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Re: couple ?' on my first build
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2014, 01:55:57 AM »
 since it is a precarved is this common to have so much work needing done?


Yes, a pre-carve is just that - perhaps 90-95% done towards the final shape as "envisioned" and possibly nowhere near the level of finish/shape you may wish to take it to yourself. Plus, each supplier has their own (definition) of pre-carve.

Although sometimes called a "kit", these are builders kits, not a "put part A into hole B kinda kits" often requiring somewhat over 100 hours of work to complete (at least the first couple you attempt), even on the pre-inlet versions.

The couple that I have have lent a hand with were not inlet at all for the tang, so the back of the barrel channel was a "rough guess" at best and in both cases we extended the channel back maybe 1/2" or so before the tang was even inlet.

To your ram rod channel - since it's drilled already I would taper the channel out towards the muzzle so you don't end up with a "step" in the channel just before the entry hole.

If the web is 1/4" at the entry and you taper it to 3/16" or even 1/8" out at the muzzle (on a full stock), over that distance, you won't notice the difference visually (unless you put a straight edge on it and reference another point on the rifle) - it will look natural and the "slight bend" will help keep some tension on the ram rod, which will keep in place better.

Offline Clark Badgett

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Re: couple ?' on my first build
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2014, 02:30:01 AM »
Don't worry about centering the lockplate in the existing panel. Inlet it where it needs to be in relation to your barrel and breechplug location, then form the panel around your lock. As far as the rod channel is concerned, it will probably easier to taper the rod channel towards the muzzle end rather than try to slightly taper or sink the barrel deeper.
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Re: couple ?' on my first build
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2014, 04:04:28 AM »
If you are building a flinter, you will need a front  lockplate screw.  This has to  hit the web or it will interfere either with the barrel or ramrod.  Some of the old guns have this screw installed crooked.  I thought it was carelessness until I put the screw through the ramrod hole on a rifle I was building.  They knew missing the ramrod hole and having the head in the right place for the sideplate were more important than having the screw straight.  Oh yes, the threaded end needed to be centered on the lock plate too.  Kind of rubbing your head and patting your stomach while hopping on one foot.
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Re: couple ?' on my first build
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2014, 06:31:56 AM »
  Oh yes, the threaded end needed to be centered on the lock plate too. 

From reading many discussions and reading many books, I found this part to be not so important. I place my front bolt hole where ever it needs to be to miss the barrel and RR channel. So far in two attempts I got that part right.
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mupperm

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Re: couple ?' on my first build
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2014, 12:10:13 PM »
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The couple that I have have lent a hand with were not inlet at all for the tang, so the back of the barrel channel was a "rough guess" at best and in both cases we extended the channel back maybe 1/2" or so before the tang was even inlet.

that is how my stock was as well,  So I am moving the barrel back some
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galamb

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Re: couple ?' on my first build
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2014, 08:35:30 PM »
I found the pre-carves to be as much work and more restrictive than working from a blank, so now I start every rifle with a "chunk of wood".

If you can inlet a lock, with a bit of patience/perseverance you can inlet a barrel and cut/drill a ramrod hole.

kaintuck

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Re: couple ?' on my first build
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2014, 10:51:22 PM »
Its nice to have that RR drilled, and the barrel inlet~now all is left to do...THIN it down~ ;D
all things considered, 1st timmers are better off with what your starting with....measure twice cut once. read, measure, trace....place your parts out on the wood if possible. find your flash hole, place your pan correctly, trace it out on the wood....it may be closer than you think ;)

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