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Offline KLMoors

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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2014, 12:38:53 AM »
American Pioneer Video carries it.

Click on "Titles and prices"

http://www.americanpioneervideo.com/index.html

It is a great video, even if you don't use the traditional tools he uses.

Offline David R. Pennington

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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2014, 03:07:38 AM »
I don't aspire to ever being able to produce any thing near what some of the gifted builders who post here do, but I feel like each of my rifles is a little better than the last.
I didn't know any better than to start from a blank with my first one so I avoided that anxiety. My first rifle is ugly but it still aims where I point it and goes bang when I squeeze it and makes me smile when I smell the smoke.
Just do it!
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Offline mountainman70

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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2014, 03:43:48 AM »
1. Don't be afraid, the first five or so are just practice.
2. If it doesn't have some flaws, it is NOT historically correct.
3. The hard part is not producing what you want, but knowing what you want to produce.

 Remember, we're doing this to have some fun.

absolutly,Ezra,go for it.You got the best support group I ever seed,and in the immoral words of bro Red Green,we're all in this togather,and I'm pullin for ya.Git 'er dun.I was in Moses Lake,the town,not the water hole ,in 1973,it sure is dry there.Best regards,Dave ;D

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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2014, 05:47:16 AM »
I make no claims to being a very good maker, but I've built a fair number of rifles over the last 40 years.  I have not used a precarved stock yet: not because I reject the idea, but because I like working with the wood: doing the planning and  shaping- trying to create exactly what's in my mind's eye. 
Go for it.  Get a blank, study what you want to do, and have a clear idea  of what it will look like.  Draw on the blank,  sand it off, make your corrections, and go again.  Draw out your locations on the blank: trace the barrel and lock outline, and the trigger location: use all this to establish your stock outline.  That will give you an idea of what will fit where, and if  your ideas will translate into a problem free build.
You will be surprised at your skill and your ingenuity.  Go for it.
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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2014, 06:39:31 AM »
The bandsaw has been mentioned here and it is fine if it is good enough quality and you know how to handle it.  Either one of those conditions prevented me from using one to any advantage.  My father gave me a hand rip saw a few years before he died, precisely because I had started to build muzzleloaders from planks of wood.  I had my own crosscut handsaws and was very good with them.  I found that, while it was a lot of very good upper body exercise, I could precisely saw out the profile.  Then I could saw away the extra wood on the sides of the barrel, lock panels, etc.  It was not as much work as you might think.  And the potential for disaster is much less with the handsaw.  When I needed to start shaping, with the barrel, lock and triggers in, I used the spokeshave, the chisel and the gouge for removing and rounding the wood.  I didn't use the rasp much because: a, it was slow, and b, it left gouges in the wood that went deeper than you realize and sometimes didn't show up until I stained the wood.  I found that I could get very close to the final shape with the chisel and gouge.  I used a course file for some clean up before sanding or scraping.  I only scraped the last one I built and wish that I had tried it much earlier, because it is so effective and such a pleasure to do.
Just my humble offering of another method.  I did it because it worked for me, not because of any desire to be historically correct in my methods.
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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2014, 08:36:15 AM »
I would recommend you have Dave Rase set you up with an inlet barrel and ramrod hole and go for the build. I have hand inlet a number of swamped barrels and I don't want to have to do it any more. Especially when we have a first rate workman Like Rase so close. I love building from a blank. The releasing of the form from the wood is mystical. Well it is when the tools are sharp. Don't try to profile a stock with the band saw if you son was cutting up pallet wood and hit a couple nails. The blade wont track worth a darn. I will need to educate him on the finer points of resharpening a band saw blade and maybe he wont be so quick to cut up scrap wood with nails in it. But I digress.  If you have a VCR I can Loan you my Herschel house video on building a Kentucky rifle from American Pioneer video. Its helpful and entertaining. I could bring it when we get together for lunch some time. I will need to dig it out of a moving box however and that box is some where in the Garage HMMMM.
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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2014, 04:41:08 PM »
The releasing of the form from the wood is mystical.

You betcha!


With a bandsaw, you can see what line you're following on top, but you can't see what's going on underneath. I cut the profiles with a bandsaw, because I can lay the stock flat on the table. When it comes to paring off the corners, oh, man does that make me nervous doing that with a power saw.
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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2014, 04:50:24 PM »
you can use a Japanese Ryoba to rip the blank. 0 kerf and easy to control because they cut on pull stroke.. fast.... and cutting the length of a blank won't wear out even an old man like me..
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Offline David R. Pennington

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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2014, 03:20:58 AM »
Get a couple of very high quality full size gouges in fairly shallow radius and keep them razor sharp. I strop them often on leather and dress up occasionally with a hard Arkansas stone. You will be amazed at how quickly and accurately you can remove wood with these.  And it is very satisfying work. I don't think I'd ever let any one deprive me of that enjoyment by using a pre carved.
I love to see the chips and shavings pile up on the floor!
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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2014, 01:28:09 PM »
American Pioneer Video carries it.

Click on "Titles and prices"

http://www.americanpioneervideo.com/index.html

It is a great video, even if you don't use the traditional tools he uses.


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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2014, 03:23:15 PM »
The next step after "building from a blank" is... walking through the woods and seeing a tree that would be the one great one to build a gun from. then cutting it down and sawing proper blanks, waiting for them to be ready and then doing it of course. Pretty simple thing really. the used to do it all the time. :) Because there was no other choice. Don't get spoiled, work hard and pay attention to detail that is what great gun building and life is about.

Building from a blank can be the 1st step in understanding how to build a real gun.

How to whittle away the excess wood might seen like a mystery it's one of the most enjoyable for me really. It's when your really making something. It's fast too.. all explained on the forum if you read the archives by several folks at least

the pay attention to detail part is important on many different levels
« Last Edit: June 27, 2014, 03:52:23 PM by Tony Clark »

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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2014, 10:54:17 PM »
Walnut blank.  Saw, Stanley sure form rasp, 1/4 chisel, homemade barrel Channel scraper, 130 hours, priceless.

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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2014, 09:58:51 PM »
Stop! Do what I'm doing. Go down to the lumber yard and get a cheep piece of poplar or the like something soft to practice on first that if it dose not turn the way you want it to no great lose. That way you won't mess up a good stock until  your pattern is down. Practice first. Look at it this way you have two rifles! ;Dave

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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2014, 12:18:10 AM »
At 17, I built my first gun from a green piece of maple. I didn't know anything at the time about drying the wood.

But know what? It dried as I built it, and yes, it did shrink some, but nothing that bothered me. It makes me wonder how many guns got built with green wood.

(and yes, 'too much wood' EVERYWHERE )



« Last Edit: July 03, 2014, 12:19:00 AM by Acer Saccharum »
Tom Curran's web site : http://monstermachineshop.net
Ramrod scrapers are all sold out.

Offline Tom Currie

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Re: I have a confession
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2014, 04:55:11 AM »
Get Chuck Dixon's book and a piece of hard maple and have fun with it. I actually think inletting your own barrel will help you become familar with your tools and help you when you are doing the outside of the gun. Keep it simple.