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gizamo

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How do you envision your style ?
« on: April 26, 2014, 02:56:21 AM »
How do you see the horns/bags/gear you are making... In relation to the time line of their intent.  In other words, are you making items that are contemporary, or ones that emulate earlier era's?

I am really starting to wonder if we aren't getting away from our roots...and making modern artistic pieces that have little bearing on the past.


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Re: How do you envision your style ?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2014, 03:16:37 AM »
It's entirely up to an individual and what they want and/or whether they are trying to portray-emulate a historical time period.
Have you seen this site?
http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/

Point is I've seen a lot of really nice contemporary items, guns and accouterments.
Too each his own without judgment,, at least from me.

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Re: How do you envision your style ?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2014, 06:54:07 PM »
Giz, The way I see it, no matter what a man is making and trying to represent today, it will always have an element of the contemporary, simply because we are all in the here and now, so to me its a matter of degree's. How do I see the things I make? Terribly flawed! That is why I 'endeavour to persevere'! ;)
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Re: How do you envision your style ?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2014, 08:58:37 PM »
 I know that  it is indeed a trend to make a copy of something from the past, as for my own equipment I make it to suit my own needs, the first horn I made way back in 1968 was just that a horn to hold powder I had never even held a powder horn let alone seen one to copy. a Barber friend had a couple of horns and he gave me one I read some on how to scrape it and form it to get a end plug in . didn't' turn out to bad but it is primitive to all my other horns. i like a horn and bag for each rifle or smooth bore and I go from there. that's just my way.

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Re: How do you envision your style ?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2014, 11:31:30 PM »
  "I am really starting to wonder if we aren't getting away from our roots...and making modern artistic pieces that have little bearing on the past."

  Giz, I think a little differently (just ask around). I think we've brought our roots into the 21st century. This would be an awful tiny sport if all builders built from absolute scratch, including barrels.(yikes!)  The "old school" boys would be in heaven now if they walked into John Getz' or  Jim Chambers' shop!
   

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Re: How do you envision your style ?
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2014, 08:31:41 PM »
Giz,

Back in the 70’s when I made my second shooting pouch, I decided to make it in a “Militia Style” because I was shooting a Brown Bess Carbine in competition and could use it to reenact as an American Militiaman or Early War Continental Marine.  I did not even attempt to directly copy any one pouch, but used features in it that were correct for the mid to late 18th century.   To set the “Military Tone” of it, I used two brass buckles on the strap and cut the front bottom of the flap in a double cyma curve and secured it with a small button hole strap that was sewn on the underside of the flap and attached to a plain pewter button.  I used thick leather on it, like was done for cartridge boxes, both so I could put the removable paper cartridge block in it and so it would easily stay open to get at items inside the bag at the range.  I sewed loops on both sides of the interior of the gussets to hold my short starter in front and the adjustable powder measure in the rear.

It worked great for both purposes for many years.  However, I screwed up on two things.  The first was I used “artificial sinew” instead of linen thread.  The second was that while the wide gusset I used to attach the front of the bag to the rear of the bag (and it went down one side, along the bottom and up the other side) was OK for the period, I blew it and left the sewed edges facing outwards instead of turning the pouch inside out.  I had the gusset sewn all around the rear piece of the pouch when it dawned on me and since I was in a hurry to use it, I just sewed it up the rest of the way like that.  I rationalized that a period Militiaman, who was not a trained leather worker, could have made the same mistake.  Someday I might pull it apart and use linen thread and sew it correctly.

My third pouch was a direct copy of a Rev War Militia Cartridge Box Pouch.  On this one I did sew it for and turned the pouch inside out.  However, the cartridge block stays in that pouch and I used it for both Rev War and War of 1812 reenacting as a Militiaman.  So I don’t use it for general shooting.

The pouches I have made after those were in keeping with the best info I could get on the periods of the guns they went with and of course for what the owners planned on carrying with them. 

As to powder horns, I had no problem using a French and Indian War style horn for both that war and the Rev War, but also for War of 1812.  Had it not been damaged, an original horn handed down in a family would or could have been used throughout that 60 year period.

Still, I like the idea of making a horn for a pouch that would be “correct” for the period of the gun they go with.  So I’m studying info on powder horns to better do that now that so much info has come out in the last 20 years or so on different period horns. 

However, outside 18th and 19th century military leather goods I make that did follow general or specific patterns, I still don’t like to try to exactly copy an original civilian pouch or horn.  I will generally follow period styles and techniques, but prefer to alter them to my own or others’ tastes.  After all, isn’t that the essence of “Bespoke Work?”

I intentionally do enough things that are Historic Anachronisms at it is.  GRIN.  I have never learned to shave with a straight razor and as many Purple Hearts as I’ve earned in the “Battles of Gillette” from the old two sided blades to modern three or more blade razors, I doubt I ever will try to shave with a straight razor as my eyes are going bad.  I am going to continue to sneak off and take a shower once a day if I can and put on a clean period shirt.  I hand wash or have my woolens dry cleaned after an event, so I can at least start off clean for the next event.  Though I try not to do it around the public, I will save the “Hale from a storm” to make drinks cold in the Virginia Summer.  (Try to imagine four Highlanders from the Black Watch carrying a large piece of tent canvas filled with about 60 pounds of such “Hale from a storm” back to camp at Colonial Williamsburg during the Annual “Under the Red Coat” event.  GRIN.)  This and too may other anachronisms I do, though I do my best to hide them. 
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Re: How do you envision your style ?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2014, 07:38:20 PM »
i make alot of virginia style and Appalachian style hunting bags. but alot of people ask me to build them a bag with certain features to accommedate tools or accoutraments they carry for easy functional accsess.

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Re: How do you envision your style ?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2014, 04:44:22 AM »
How do you see the horns/bags/gear you are making... In relation to the time line of their intent.  In other words, are you making items that are contemporary, or ones that emulate earlier era's?

I am really starting to wonder if we aren't getting away from our roots...and making modern artistic pieces that have little bearing on the past.


Giz

I understand what you are saying, but...early 21st century IS a time period, and it's a world of difference from mid 20th century.  Mid 20th c. was the Era of Re-discovery, late 20th c. was the period of re-learning, and early 21st c. is perhaps the Era of Perfection, perhaps to be followed by a period of deliberate imperfection.

And at the same time, BP shooting evolved from targets to deer hunting, as the deer population grew, then exploded. Next up was the growth of turkey hunting. Maybe Boar or Africa will be the next stage. Each evolutionary stage was best served by different types of firearms, and different features of shooting pouches.

If muzzleloading doesn't change, we'd be shooting matchlocks, and the artisans amongst us would be making beautiful apostles or gilded unipods.

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Re: How do you envision your style ?
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2014, 06:49:56 AM »
It's entirely up to an individual and what they want and/or whether they are trying to portray-emulate a historical time period.
Have you seen this site?
http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/

Point is I've seen a lot of really nice contemporary items, guns and accouterments.
Too each his own without judgment,, at least from me.

Ditto X 2 !

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Re: How do you envision your style ?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2014, 12:36:05 AM »
There are so few surviving hunting pouches from ANY era that its really difficult to tell what is the correct style or what period. Given they are not dated and one found in SC could have been made a first used in PA. They were usually completely used used up by 1 to 3 generations of users. This also muddies the water as to dates since if it lasted quite a while it might be passed to a grandson or great-grandson who then may have used it and passed it on to his son until it wore out or fell apart.
Then we have fakery of almost anything old that is worth faking or faked just for the heck of it. There have been so many horns faked over the last 140 years or so that its impossible to know whats real and whats fake. Museums were apparently buying fakes for their collections back in the early 20th c.
So I make something the will work for what I am going to use it for. 

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