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Offline davec2

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Trigger Rattle
« on: January 21, 2015, 12:28:02 AM »
I have been working on several more guns, rather sporadically, but did something last evening that may be of some interest.  One of my pet peeves is a trigger that rattles.  A second preference (not really a peeve) is that I don't like to pin a trigger through wood.  I know it will probably out last me by a couple of hundred years, but then again, I am an engineer and pinning a trigger through steel or brass has always seemed like a better idea.

In regards to the trigger rattling, I always had a $#*! of a time getting the trigger / sear engagement just right so that there was no rattle to the trigger at some point in any of the uncocked, half cock, full cock positions.  So, some time ago, I started putting a leaf spring under the trigger bar to lightly keep the trigger in contact with the sear at all times.  Works great, but it does take some additional parts as well as excavating additional wood in the trigger mortice to allow the spring to function properly.  Here is what the spring arrangement looks like..





The beauty of this arrangement is that no matter where the sear ends up in each of its three positions (uncocked, half cock, full cock), the trigger stays in contact with it and will not rattle.

However, last evening, while working on a Chambers English rifle, I made a few modifications.  First, to avoid pinning the trigger through wood, I bent a 1/16" piece of mild steel and silver brazed it to the trigger plate.  Second, I had intended to place another leaf spring under the trigger to stop the rattle, but the trigger plate is really too short to do that.   The sear on the Chambers lock stays relatively in the same position when at any of the three lock positions, so I didn't need quite the range of motion.  Instead of the spring, I made and installed a 5-40 screw through the front face of the steel trigger pivot support and used it to push the trigger bar into light contact with the sear.  Works great and is simpler than the leaf spring arrangement.  No rattle in any position.




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Re: Trigger Rattle
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2015, 03:17:04 AM »
That leaf spring is a great idea. Is this your idea or is it something that has been done? Dan

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Re: Trigger Rattle
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2015, 03:33:05 AM »
 Good looking solder joint you got there.

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Re: Trigger Rattle
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2015, 03:47:09 AM »
I like the higher pinning arrangement of the 2nd example. The first is pinned lower than I prefer. I don't have a trigger rattling problem , since I install the lock before I finish the trigger , which lets me file the engagement surface until it just barely contacts the sear.

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Re: Trigger Rattle
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2015, 05:07:06 AM »
Whaleman,

I don't know if anyone else has used the spring.  I would suspect I am not the first to come up with this, but I didn't copy anything that I saw elsewhere so can't tell you if it has any historical precedence or not.

Shifty,

Hot torch, plenty of flux, and I don't attempt the joint until I know the silver braze will flow like water...and the flow is always toward the heat, so I wait until the back side of the joint is sufficiently hot to melt the braze.

Bob,

I put the lock in first as well...I just hate all the trial and error associated with fine tuning the trigger fit.  And then, after working on it for quite a while, the @!*% trigger always rattles at one position or the other because the sear in not exactly in the same place at each cock position.  To each his own.
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Re: Trigger Rattle
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2015, 05:17:22 AM »
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can't tell you if it has any historical precedence or not.
It does.  Alex Henrys and other English target rifles have trigger springs.  Also, I have a Traditions Trophy rifle which is loosely copied in the English style that has one.

Unlike yours, they have a very thin leaf spring which lies alongside the trigger and inserts into a hole at the top using an L shaped end on the spring.
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Re: Trigger Rattle
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2015, 04:59:42 PM »
 I scrapped out a destroyed double barrel shotgun years ago, that had a fine wire spring that wrapped around an anchor screw like yours. The ends of the spring went through two small holes in the trigger flags, and kept them from rattling.

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Re: Trigger Rattle
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2015, 05:57:25 PM »
That's really nice!!! See, there are countless ways to solve any problem and this is great to see other ideas. Thanks for sharing that.
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Re: Trigger Rattle
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2015, 06:33:35 PM »
My 6 first LRs built from 1978 on have a trigger arrangement the same as your bottom ass'y....except that I hi temp silver soldered the "U" shaped piece onto the trigger plate.  Yes, a higher pivot pin location yields a lighter trigger pull but the rear of the "U" shaped part from the pivot hole back has to be short to allow for the sear bar.

No longer do my triggers this way....just pin the triggers in the wood.  I find that a little bit of trigger "rattle" in the half cock position is reassuring of full sear/.notch engagement and whatever "rattle" is at full cock is just ignored. But that's just me but I can also see where that might bother others.

Early on took a few LRs to TOW for selling in their consignment sales and the first check Dave Rippliger made was to see if the cock would release at half cock by exerting quite a bit of force on the trigger. He said he's encountered a few triggers that would "trip" the cock at half cock, so he now checks all incoming MLers.

Always achieved a satisfactory trigger pull w/ the pinned trigger ass'y and it makes  for a "neat" ass'y....Fred