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Offline WadePatton

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Auvenshine knife on blog
« on: April 04, 2015, 06:39:21 PM »
It's a folder.  And I likes it a ton.

Can any you folks give me some sort of reference on the timeline of folding knives.  Have we had them "forever" with only stylistic variations or well, what's the scoop?

Thanks in advance, I'm a greenhorn student of the rifle of my region and am picking up some of the accoutrement part of things as i go.  I want to keep the "picture" in focus as I learn and compile my kit.

http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2015/04/folding-pocket-knife-by-steve-auvenshine.html
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Re: Auvenshine knife on blog
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2015, 05:00:46 AM »
Mr. Patton, not "forever", but according to Wikipedia, since the Roman times or before. Some folding knives were found in Spain that dated way back, a lot further, than I thought.
 
 

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Re: Auvenshine knife on blog
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2015, 05:17:01 PM »
Yes, as I was "deconstructing" that knife in my mind, I realized how simple they really are and how metal crafting has been around for a very long time. 

What are the stylistic boundaries of colonial and early American folders?  How's that for more specific?  I was directed to a FB page where i saw a recovered folder, but it looked like a Schrade or somesuch.  NTTAWWT.

Would there be a date range applicable to Mr. Auvenshine's knife?  Are there originals like it?

Thanks
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Re: Auvenshine knife on blog
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2015, 06:12:38 PM »
A couple direct copies of late 18th century British, can be seen on " At The Eastern Door" on facebook. They would have real wrought iron integral bolsters, I think that page has a youtube video link of Eric Schatzel forging the iron for one.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2015, 01:18:59 AM »
    Thank you for the kind words about my knife on the blog.  I thought I would try to answer some of the questions you had about it. That particular knife is based on the folder that is on the cover of Madison Grant's book. "The Knife in Homespun America". In the book he dates it between 1750 and 1790. Like the original the central panels are bone, in my case, deer bone.
    From my research, both in print and inspections of originals, the blades are very often spear pointed. Or, kind of a willow leaf shape.  The blade often flares to an upturned rear bolster.  This enables the user to open the knife by grabbing the blade without the use of a nail nick. I have seen some, what I believe, to be early nail nicks but they seem to become common around the first quarter of the nineteenth century.  It was also about this time that US production folders became more common. Until about the the middle of that century most spring back folders were imported from England.
    As stated before, folders have been around for a very long time.  Some of those aforementioned roman folders were even a form of a spring back folder.
    Hope this is somewhat coherent and answers some of your questions, thanks again,
Steve Auvenshine

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Re: Auvenshine knife on blog
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2015, 11:57:47 AM »
Steve, absolutely gorgeous knife, but then, that all I've ever seen you make.... See ya in June. :)
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2015, 01:43:30 PM »
That's all I needed.  Thank you Steve.  cheers
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2015, 05:11:28 AM »
Thanks Tim! Looking forward to seeing you in June as well.
Steve

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2015, 04:14:02 PM »
Folding knives do indeed go back a looong way.  As for styles and blade shapes--there have long been many types. While leaf or spear shaped blades have been common, many other styles also are old--including straight backed, clip point [yes] and sheepfoot.  Early knives in use in the 1700s include penny knives [simple wooden or horn handles with a slot in which to fold a blade on a pivot pin, clasp knives, Barlows[early style], simple jackknives, penknives, etc.  The French ship la Belle wrecked in the late 1600s in Texas carried folders with simple metal handles formed into a tight U in cross-section into which blades of several styles folded.  By the mid 1800s very modern looking folders were present, including the current Barlow pattern handle, and many familiar shapes to pocket knife fanciers of the 20th century.  I have collected knives for some 50 years and researched them extensively. Search for old British and French patterns to get some idea of what was available in th colonies and early republic.  American pocket knife manufacture got going ca, 1840s.
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