I bought some heavy wool felt at the cloth store. Laid a piece of it on a board and covered it with Dixie old zip patch lube, rolling the excess out with a piece of large dowel. I cut the wads out with a 5/8 inch punch. I load one under the over powder card wad, then shot, then overshot wad. This is used in a Chambers 20 gauge and it shoots better than one would expect for no choke, and the old zip makes it easy to reload, over and over all day. The card wads fit so tight I nick the overshot wad with a fingernail to let the air out as I ram it home. Without some kind of lube to keep the fowling soft, it will get only two shots before it must be cleaned.