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northmn

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Accelerated drying for green wood.
« on: March 16, 2009, 08:28:48 PM »
I understand that many like to do things the old fachioned way and more power to them, its part of the hobby and many of the contributers have the skills to make a rifle that will look better in 100 years using air dried wood than one of mine using kiln dried wood.  My purpose here is to create discussion for those that may want to utilize a blank cut this spring for an upcoming winter project. I have used these techniques and they work.  Please do not start the arguements about how much better the old air drying techniques are because that is a different subject and I have been over I have been over it with more than one person. An example of what I am trying to accomplish was in my food plot thread where I learned about fertilizing oaks, something I did not know how to do and now will try. 

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Re: Accelerated drying for green wood.
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 08:59:47 PM »
There are methods utilizing kiln drying technologies that can permit one to cut wood this spring and have it well dried by next winter or late fall.  Kiln drying is nothing more than utilization of heat and airflow.  Airflow being very critical in any method of drying, even for firewood.  When I talk about accelerated drying, I am not referring to true modern kiln methods, instead a more gradual process that will give one a workable piece of wood that may take a few months.
The literature on this and my experience loosely illustrates three stages desirable for progressive technique change.
 The first is the fresh cut fresh sawn plank.  This is where a good part of the checking process starts and is where sealing the ends is so important.  One idividual recommended shellac, I have used very heavy coats of paint and some use glue mixed with water.  In this stage many leave the plank air dry in an approriate dry place such as a shed as it seems to work not to have as high of temperatures.  For a larger volume you can rick it up off the ground and place the slats between the pieces. The wood will appear wet at this stage and  may take a while to look dryer.  On my firewood piles, the end grain is very wet and the checking is an indication that it is drying.  This may take between 2 summer weeks to a month.
The second stage is what I may call an equilibrium stage for lack of a better term.
In this stage you can introduce fairly high heat, but permit a cooler period to permit the wood to reach equilibrium so as to allow the surface area to regain the interior moisture withot too large a difference.  One individual leaves the wood in his car during the summer and lets the heat of the parked car with rolled up windows work on it.  Claims it really fogs up the windshield.  This is where some have built solar dryers. The system can be used to final dry.  The kiln literature claims the advantage of solar drying is in permitting equilibrium to occur, but it s slower.  Keep the wood out of direct sunlight.  The solar kilns use a solar collecter to heat a hotbox.
For a final stage you can put the wood in continuous heat.  I built a hotbox using 4 100 watt bulbs as I have seen recommended.  The solar box sounds great to me for people living further south.  A hotbox is nothing more than a box, most use plywood with interior insulation and light bulbs for heat, big enough to hold a couple of stocks.  The box is also very handy in the shop for drying some finishes or getting glue to set up. Put a pan of water in it and you can use it for a humidity box. I use mine a in the spring and fall when shop temps are comfortable to work in in a jacket.  Even if I did not use one to dry wood it is a handy accesory.  On my last project, I put the stock I was working on in the hotbox more than once while in process.
This is a rough outline, and I am interested in other input as to other experiences. This works for most stock woods.  I gather red oak is a real challenge.  Ideally one would have  a moisture meter to develop a consistant system.  I could buy a very nice stock for the price of a meter and use a relative weight system as wood gets noticably lighter when dying.  I doubt if I hit the magic 6-8%, but I get it fairly dry fairly quick.

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Re: Accelerated drying for green wood.
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 11:13:53 PM »
We use loose hay in the hay mow to speed dry our blanks.  Bookie
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Re: Accelerated drying for green wood.
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2009, 12:42:02 AM »
At the current moment I have my planks stacked up in my shop at work. The temperature is about a constant 70 degrees.   The ends are painted and all looks well so far.  I leave them covered with a tarp at night and uncover them during the day.  Out back there is an old green house that is no longer in use.  Would this be a decent place to stack the planks?  If so, how long before I put them in there?
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Re: Accelerated drying for green wood.
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2009, 02:03:18 AM »
I would do what you are doing for about a month or so minimum.   The greenhouse would be a great place to store them, but keep them out of the direct sunlight.  Cherry and darker woods like walnut will get hotter in direct sun than the white woods like maple which may cause more equilibrium problems.  One thing to consider is to pick out a couple of blanks that you may use or some lumber and leave the rest in the shop to continue air drying.  Its better to be conservative as you are using darker hardwoods that have more of a tendency to crack.   Surprisingly the final drying does not take all that long.  If you want a winter project you could leave them in the shop until July or August then Greenhouse them.  Good luck.
Bookie, I wish you would go into more detail.  When I was very young I worked on the end of an elevator stacking hay in a hay mow, so I have an idea about the fact that they can get a little warm.
I am quite interested in what others can accomplish.  We have just been hit by a heat wave, it was in the low 50's today and the melted snow is running.  They have flood warnings out for the Red river through Fargo and Grand Forks.  Snows still too deep to cut a couple of blanks.  due to the size of the suitable trees, I am lucky to get one or two blanks out of a tree.

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Re: Accelerated drying for green wood.
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 01:41:07 PM »
As a further thought on the greenhouse.  I had seen plans for a solar kiln for sale when I researched wood drying.  When I was in IA training we also researched solar energy.  A easy solar kiln could be built out of a couple of 4/8 sheets of plywood, hardboard whatever.  Just make a rectangular box long enough and wide enough to hold the boards or blanks you want to dry.  You could even double tier for lumber  by placing slats in between the boards.  Make it so that it would be easy to get at things with a removable top.   Use some 1X4 cross pieces in the bottom to rick the pieces up and allow for air flow.  Air flow is provided by leaving an opening in one end in the bottom of the box and another hole at the other end in the top.  The top hole is supposed to be a little larger than the bottom one.  Paint the box black and put it in a place in the greenhouse where it can draw the most sun. 

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Re: Accelerated drying for green wood.
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2009, 05:43:45 PM »
I'm rather fortunate that I live next door to a Luthier who has a solar kiln he uses to dry his wood.  His setup includes an exhaust fan with a pre set thermometer so when the temp hits a certain range the fan kicks in.  He pretty much puts his wood in the shed in the Spring and is ready by the fall.  He's also a welder by trade and built this beautiful outdoors bandsaw which he uses for resawing the rough stock. 
He does leave his fresh green stock stickered outside for one season prior to putting in the kiln.  Here in the northeast it really only gets hot and humid during mid July to mid August and the exhaust fan helps keep things on an even keel. 
Somwhere in one of my woodworking mags there was a plan to build your own solar kiln with many of the features described here and in some of the previous posts.  I'll have to look it up.
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Re: Accelerated drying for green wood.
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2009, 07:40:37 PM »
Sounds like an ideal setup.  Some of my sources mentioned the fan as not really being neccessary as long as you allow for natural thermo air flow, but it is not a bad idea.  I cannot argue with the wisdom of leaving the wood air dry one season but I think March to fall is reasonable.  I used white woods like birch or maple.  The literature reference to red oak makes me think it may be a real challenge.  The types of woods vary and I admit a certain limitation of knowledge on cherry wood as all we have is choke cherry trees that may get about 6" in diameter.

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