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Offline Eric Krewson

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I said I wasn't going to do it again.
« on: June 01, 2016, 12:29:30 AM »
My last cherry stock cutting adventure was pretty much a waste of time and only two marginal stock blanks from slicing up most of a 22"X20' cherry trunk piece by piece with a chainsaw and finding rot and knots everywhere.

I had a big walnut tree fall down in the hollow on my place and was going to let it sit there because it was so inaccessible on the steep hillside where it fell. I have been out of action getting cut on for a year or so and let it sit for 2 years.

I finally could't stand it anymore and loaded up my stuff to "just take a look at it".



Pretty thick, can you see the tree?



I wanted to see if I could cut out a crotch wood blank, I didn't know if the wood was still sound.

First cuts;



Slabbed off;



Crotch wood;




Pattern;



Cut out trying to avoid the bad places.



I struggled with changing my chainsaw cutout to a nice smooth plank on my cherry log debacle. A friend turned me on to a hand plainer for the job. With an 20% off coupon in hand I headed to Harbor Freight. I bought their most powerful plainer for $47 out the door. It works wonders on my rough plank. After I was able to trim things down a bit I did use my bandsaw for the basic shape.



Now, this plank has issues, it almost looks spalted  but the wood is as hard as a rock. I dulled two chains cutting out the plank. Nice grain;



Done, I put a thin coat of shellac on the whole plank because it is as wet as a sponge and had started surface checking immediately after I cut it. With bow wood I have found a thin coat won't slow down drying but will stop surface checking.



Well, there is 20 more feet of trunk and I was cutting on the little end, this tree is BIG even though the chainsaw makes it look small. I know I will have to try to knock out a few more blanks out of it.





 

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2016, 12:50:11 AM »
Thats sure some pretty wood. I hope it works out good for you
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Re: I said I wasn't going to do it again.
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2016, 01:46:39 AM »
Good on ya bro.  Thanks for the pics.  I have all but the loader and may just start doing it that way.  I have a couple of tall stumps (walnut) left from logging that are going to get this treatment.  I may dig them out for complete root access.  

Shellac sounds like the best thing, green walnut and air = checks coming fast!.  

A traditional hand plane works too.  Just takes a bit of sharpening and setup experience...and that there elbow grease-which you're burning pretty good working with the saw.  Might enjoy the "quiet time" of the fixed blade machine. ;)

Also that limb in the wrist has me worried, but a well-done repair is a feature that many folks adore.  ;) ;)


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Re: I said I wasn't going to do it again.
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2016, 01:47:06 AM »
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My last cherry stock cutting adventure was pretty much a waste of time and only two marginal stock blanks from slicing up most of a 22"X20' cherry trunk piece by piece with a chainsaw and finding rot and knots everywhere.

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I finally could't stand it anymore and loaded up my stuff to "just take a look at it".
:D Been there done that sure understand the "could't stand it anymore" the call of free stock wood is enticing but can be so frustrating :'(

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2016, 01:52:41 AM »

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Shellac sounds like the best thing, green walnut and air = checks coming fast!.
My cousin turns a lot of bowls. He roughs them out green then quickly paints them with cheap wood glue that he buys by the gal. He then stores them in his attic until dry. He said they very rarely check done this way. I asked what kind of glue and he said the cheapest wood glue you can find.
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Re: I said I wasn't going to do it again.
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2016, 02:05:49 AM »

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Shellac sounds like the best thing, green walnut and air = checks coming fast!.
My cousin turns a lot of bowls. He roughs them out green then quickly paints them with cheap wood glue that he buys by the gal. He then stores them in his attic until dry. He said they very rarely check done this way. I asked what kind of glue and he said the cheapest wood glue you can find.
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He doesn't thin it?  I usually cut it, but have only been playing with endcuts of RR ties.
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2016, 02:40:40 AM »
This tree uprooted and the root ball is exposed but had a lot of piles of chirt over the top of it. I doubt if I could clean it up enough to put a chainsaw to it.

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2016, 03:48:04 AM »
Eric, that is the ultimate demonstration of 'labor intensive', but equally rewarding. My hat is off to you. Have you ever used Anchorseal to stop the checking/cracking? And I wonder how it compares to the glue mentioned by Dennis?

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Re: I said I wasn't going to do it again.
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2016, 03:51:53 AM »
This tree uprooted and the root ball is exposed but had a lot of piles of chirt over the top of it. I doubt if I could clean it up enough to put a chainsaw to it.

Pal of mine has a saw with a extrication/demolition chain-I think that may be the BEST option for sawing though rock encrusted roots (as they all tend to be, unless one is on the river bank). But I've not tried it yet, but I get the idea of NOT hitting any more rocks than necessary.  My rocks are chirt/flinty and play H.E.double hockey sticks on steel.
 
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2016, 03:36:58 PM »
That a boy.Good work on cutting that stock blank.How long you figure it will take for that to dry out?It sure will make a beautiful stock.

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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2016, 04:01:39 PM »
That a boy.Good work on cutting that stock blank.How long you figure it will take for that to dry out?It sure will make a beautiful stock.
Figure at least 1 year per 1" of thickness.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2016, 04:20:31 PM »
My brother has a sugar maple that is at least 48" in diameter on his property.  It's on the very edge of a ravine and a storm blew it over to the flat side.  The root ball is partially exposed, but somehow the tree is still alive and is a widowmaker leaning against another tree.  You can see the curl under the bark.  I tried to find someone with a portable sawmill to no avail.  It drives me nuts every time I visit his place.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2016, 05:35:45 PM »
Dave if there is a "FREE ADD PAPER" in your area see if there is anyone selling wood planks.  Also check out Craig's List as a possible source.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2016, 06:15:56 PM »
Dennis is spot on - move quickly to seal the end grain. Glue will work, as will melted parafin, and commercial products made by companies such as AnchorSeal and Osmos. Even latex paint will do in a pinch. Just treat it soon. I found out the hard way when I delayed getting the end grain treated.
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2016, 06:32:41 PM »
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Dave if there is a "FREE ADD PAPER" in your area see if there is anyone selling wood planks.
Steve,
Actually his place is up your way in central Illinois.  I'd have to rent a pretty big truck to get it all back down this way after it was cut.  How many board feet do ya reckon is in a tree that's 48" x 60' ?  A lot more than my pick up and little trailer will haul.
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Re: I said I wasn't going to do it again.
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2016, 08:46:03 PM »
My brother has a sugar maple that is at least 48" in diameter on his property.  It's on the very edge of a ravine and a storm blew it over to the flat side.  The root ball is partially exposed, but somehow the tree is still alive and is a widowmaker leaning against another tree.  You can see the curl under the bark.  I tried to find someone with a portable sawmill to no avail.  It drives me nuts every time I visit his place.

http://woodmizer.com/us/Services/Find-a-Local-Sawyer
http://www.portablesawmill.info/
http://lumberjocks.com/TreeBones/blog/6106
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Re: I said I wasn't going to do it again.
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2016, 09:18:19 PM »
That blank looks like it has a lot of potential. Do you think the knot in the wrist will work out?

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2016, 11:10:04 PM »
The knot in the wrist is very shallow and the blank is very wide, lots of wiggle room.

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He doesn't thin it?  I usually cut it, but have only been playing with endcuts of RR ties.
Wade he probably does, I don't remember, I do remember him saying the glue cleans up with water so I suspect he does.

He leaves a face plate on the wood and then after painting with the glue lays them inside his walk-in attic! I think he said he leaves them in there for about 12 months. I would think that heat would be like a kiln and not need that long to dry!
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2016, 12:04:14 AM »
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http://woodmizer.com/us/Services/Find-a-Local-Sawyer
http://www.portablesawmill.info/
http://lumberjocks.com/TreeBones/blog/6106
I had tried those sites before.  No one within 150 miles of my brother's place.
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Re: I said I wasn't going to do it again.
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2016, 02:40:11 AM »
Have you called the IL forester that covers that area.  He might know who would have a portable saw mill.

A tractor with a loader bucket comes in really handy.

I have 2 oaks that came down in high winds that I plan on getting out of my timber sometime this summer.  Most likly will have some boards cut and the rest for firewood.

I have a guy within 15 miles of my place with a saw.

Last year I did some hickory, had the Iowa State University dry it in their kiln. 

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Re: I said I wasn't going to do it again.
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2016, 02:17:21 PM »
My brother has a sugar maple that is at least 48" in diameter on his property.  It's on the very edge of a ravine and a storm blew it over to the flat side.  The root ball is partially exposed, but somehow the tree is still alive and is a widowmaker leaning against another tree.  You can see the curl under the bark.  I tried to find someone with a portable sawmill to no avail.  It drives me nuts every time I visit his place.

T*O*F, if the tree can be safely brought to the ground you could then cut it into preferred lengths, then blow the logs in half using black powder. This would allow you to first see if there is enough white wood to get blanks from and then you could get blanks as Eric did - gutting it out with a chainsaw.

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Re: I said I wasn't going to do it again.
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2016, 10:00:39 PM »
Yup,this is a gig a man needs to do at least once,just to say he has,twice or more if he has  a learning dis-ability,or is a glutton for punishment!!!!lol,Done this'n a few time with my bud Bob Walden,walnut and cherry,back on the hill,carried slabs of hill and onto roof rack on a 72 Impala 4dr.What a hoot!!!made some nice shootin irons,they did.
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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2016, 10:08:08 PM »
I have an old Belgian guild gun that I'm going to need a stock for.  I had a similar opportunity with a large walnut a few years ago and I passed, now I wish that I hadn't.