White Lightning Touch hole "Halo"

[Acer Saccharum]

Is it possible the liner was tightened so much that the skirt sheared off?

[Mike Brooks]

I'd want to know if TOW's "white lightning's" were made by Chambers or not. Can't imagine anyone who wouldn't care.

Having said the above, I use both and have never had an issue with either.

[Robby]

Mike,  I was told they are made in China. On one the interior dome must have been cut too deep because when I cut the lug off the hole was about an 1/8" diameter. the other, the dome wasn't deep enough and the touch hole was either not drilled or not drilled deep enough.
Robby

[Kingsburyarms]

Is it possible the liner was tightened so much that the skirt sheared off?

Acer,

I tightened the liner until snug and sawed off the "end". it was cut, not sheared. It of course could have been over tightened - again, it was my first try. 

As to all, I did not want this to be a bashing thread on any supplier, manufacturer, design or QA discussion, this is just something a rookie noticed when he installed his first liner. The proper people gave me the right answers, and a new one will be installed. I will follow up with images of a new liner, But I wanted this to be a learning moment for me, and that was fulfilled.

Facts = Great, Past experience on the topic = Great, It makes me feel so low as to have a thread reduced to bashing - anything. 

Flint: OP Satisfied.

[Jim Kibler]

This is baffling.  When tightening, it's not a bad idea to put a reference mark on the plug before tightening.  This will help you see when the plug just begins to snug up.  After the flange portion of the liner just begins to touch and you feel the onset of resistance, I only turn maybe 1/8 of a revolution.  Not much for sure.  It's a hard thing to quantify.  One thing for sure, it doesn't require much torque at all to seat one in place.  Be gentle.

Jim

[flehto]

If a straight edge is laid on the TH area, are the liner and  surrounding area standing proud?. I've had the same "halo" effect if the above situation is present, but it disappears w/ further filing so that the area is completely flat.......just a thought.....Fred

[Pete G.]

Looks like to me that the counter sink is a little too deep for this particular liner and it went in a little too far. The ring is the machined groove for the cutoff. If the original liner was a little off a new one will probably be OK. That being said, it will probably work just fine as is if you can live with the appearance.

[Jim Chambers]

Flintfan,
My intent was not to "knock" Track of the Wolf.  It was simply to let you guys know that the liners coming from Track are not made by me.  Last year at Friendship a guy came up to my booth and gave me all kinds of $#*! saying because of my poorly designed liner he has ruined two barrels.  When he said he got them from Track but they were my liners because they are the "White Lightnin"  I explained to him that Track makes their own liners.  I've has other similar complaints and have been blamed for the problems guys have had with Track's liners.
Don't get me wrong, Dave and Carole are good friends, I've spent several nights in their home, and they are most gracious hosts.  Also, they are my very best customer.  They buy more locks from me than all the other dealers combined.  So, I am not "knocking" them at all. 
I have no problem with them making their own liners that are similar to mine.  After all, I simply copied what the English were doing 200 years ago, an that technology which was in existence before the patent laws cannot be patented.  My only problem is with Track using the same name for their product because it creates confusion about who actually made the product.  When guys have problems and assume the product was made by me that damages my reputation.  Again, my only reason for the comment I made above was to let everyone know that I do not make the liners sold by Track.

[SingleMalt]

Well said, Jim. 

[WadePatton]

Thanks for the clarification(s) Jim. 

[Turtle]

 Didn't know this. Will order from Chambers from now on. Thanks!
                                        Turtle

[Kingsburyarms]

All - It was my fault - 

It had nothing to do with the liner or the quality (Which is exceptional) I received a new liner today from Jim Kibler (fast and Thank you) and I started to install it - and when it started to get tight, I still saw that the edge of the liner was not "seated" in the barrel. so I backed it out, and I found out why the first one did what it did.

When I finished the hole and tapped it, I did not sink the 82 Degree countersink enough, and I "powered my way" with the first liner to make it flush, that sunk the liner deeper than it should have been, exposing the center "shaft" area of the liner and the tightening knob. I cut off the knob, and filed the liner to the barrel, but of course, I filed away the edge of the liner at the thread (which had curled up due to fitting in a tight hole) and the knob was still "proud" so I ended up with a sunken liner, and the "Halo" was the bottom cut of the liner "install" piece above the actual liner face.

When I saw the second one seated but not flush, I pulled out the liner, and set a countersink at 82 degrees with the EXACT diameter of the liner with a micrometer and mill.  And Guess what, if you read the directions, and sink the countersink to the right depth, then when you screw in the liner it will touch the barrel at the exact depth and tightness expected, flush with the barrel - Imagine that?

I added 1/8 turn as Jim suggested, and easily removed the install knob.

A little flat file, and we are in business.

Jim Kibler, I owe you for one white Lightning liner, Jim Chambers, this is a perfect fit and meets exact standards. For the forum members, I owe you for a lesson learned.

I feel like the guy who took the shot just to see the Deer look up at me and say, "Nice Try" and then go back to grazing... While I spill my Powder horn on the ground.

Humbled.

The New liner installed - the proper way, following the directions.

[Jim Kibler]

The kit barrels are already, drilled, tapped and countersunk.  Only a very slight countersink is required.    On the kit barrels we shoot for a countersink  diameter of approximately .335"-.340".   If you countersink too deep, the flash channel will be excessively long and slow ignition.  

Repeat, it does not need to be countersunk to the diameter of the liner.  In fact, it shouldn't be.

Thanks,
Jim

[mikeyr]

 Thank you Jim for clarifying...It was beginning to scare me that I to drill and countersink, etc.  Now if only my kit would get here   I had no idea that September was so far away when I bought the kit.

[thimble rig]

On my kit I just screwed the liner in and filed flush.Didnt have to deepen the counter sink at all.

[Mike Brooks]

2 pages on correctly installing a vent liner.....

[Jim Kibler]

No worries from my perspective.   We all are here to learn.  Glad you got things to work out, Jon. 

All the best,
Jim

[frogwalking]

I found a "white lightening" liner from TOW, still in the package with their label.  It says "Made in USA"  I thought all the liners I have used were from Jim, but this one I added to an order when I knew I would be helping a friend correct some issues on his TVM kit.  I had not needed it.  I don't have dog in this issue, just saw that and thought I would mention it.