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Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« on: July 24, 2016, 05:54:10 PM »
  I've seen a few rifles with the fore-stock contoured to the taper and bell of a swamped barrel whereas other's have a straight sided fore-stock with varying thickness of the wood.  Is one way more correct over the other?  Is it a simple matter of preference?

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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2016, 06:06:05 PM »
I've always shaped my stocks so that the stock follows the barrel contour.  According to several whom I've spoken to who have extensively examined original rifles, that's correct and makes for a better handling rifle.
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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2016, 06:14:59 PM »
As far as appearances, a straight-sided fore-stock partially cancels out the reason for using a swamped barrel. 
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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2016, 07:52:59 PM »
I would go with Single Malt on this one follow the contour of the barrel.It would make the forearm more skinner.

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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2016, 01:10:24 AM »
As was said previously....the forestock thicknesses on both sides of the bbl follows the swamp contour. My forestocks have 1/16" per side and after following the swamped bbl contour, flair out from approx. 4"-5" from the muzzle to approx. 3/32"  per side   to accentuate the swamp.  the pic shown has it done this way.....Fred


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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2016, 01:42:11 AM »
Agree Fred - my Verner is thus - and looks right - to me.
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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2016, 04:32:07 AM »
Fred thanks for the pics. It helps a lot. Specifically the view from the bottom also. Somehow that view helps me with the shape. More than the side views.

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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 10:57:51 PM »
  That's a good looking rifle flehto.  I wanted the input as I'm working on a E Marshall rifle w/ the swamped contour.  Thanks all.

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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2016, 12:47:40 AM »
A little more subdued than Fred's, but similar.


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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2016, 04:00:01 PM »
I agree with Fred and Daryl.  When I build a gun the stock follows the swamp and I, too, like to add a little extra flare at the muzzle end. 

I haven't handled enough originals to speak with authority.  I did have the opportunity to handle RCA 53 by Antes.  Its fore-stock followed the barrel contour and flairs a little extra at the muzzle like Fred and Daryl describe.

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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2016, 04:08:57 PM »
Daryl....beautiful Bucks Ccounty  Is that one of Taylor's creations? Wish I could make 'em like that.....Fred

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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2016, 06:58:30 PM »
Spot-on, Fred.  It's my A. Verner, that Taylor built.

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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2016, 07:04:33 PM »
Daryl Taylor works wonders with wood an steel. Stunning workmanship.  Oldtravler

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Re: Shaping the fore-stock w/ swamped barrel
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2016, 06:05:52 AM »
I have unfortunately never gotten to handle an original, but pictures I have seen show that the majority of old makers followed the contour of the barrel.  It makes the gun look more graceful and slender too.  I don't believe the old builders did this primarily for aesthetic reasons, but more as a practicality.  There was just no reason to leave so much wood on the gun which made it heavier and less well balanced.  It could also be that it made the gun easier to keep a grip on, or that it was just more comfortable to hold.  I know that once I get a fore stock completed, one of my last tasks in the build, it feels like a long rifle.

I have also noticed from picture that many barrels don't have the side flat half-way embedded in the stock.  Rather, there is a bit more of the barrel above the fore stock on the side flats than below it.  This also makes the gun look slimmer.  After all, there is really no reason for the fore stock at all, because it doesn't support the barrel at all.  One reason it may be there is because of muskets being relatively thin barrels, and the thinking may have been that this prevented damage to the barrel.  And the full stock could have been a carry-over from that.  But this is pure conjecture on my part.

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