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Offline Daryl

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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2016, 02:54:27 AM »
No fun today - the 6th - too bloody hot - 86F, just about 30C - staying in the basement where it's a nice warm, but pleasant 65F.

We hates the heat.
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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2016, 03:28:31 AM »
I'm not a summer guy. Anything more than about 20 deg C or so and I get antsy for Fall. Fall and Winter are when I'm most happy.  We do a winter camp, 18th Century style every year. Last year it was minus 40 C      Three hudson's bay blankets, and an oil skin cover
My friend had that plus a buffalo robe. He was toasty !

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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2016, 07:58:06 PM »
Both butt plates warped.  Mine which is heavier stands 3/16" off the wood at the toe.  Ron's, the thinner one, stands 3/8" off the wood at the toe.  The curve increased during the heat/quench.  He is going to anneal his and try to get it back to fit his wood, which has been stained but not finished.  He is going to rust blue it rather than risk the warp again.

We didn't block anything, but that was a mistake.  Ron's lock plate took a bit of a warp...about 1/32" in the centre.  I think he can straighten it with three blocks in his vise.  He says it doesn't fit his inlet now....too tight.  but that's an easy fix.  I suspect it may have been from the whiskering, tannic acid wash, ferric nitrate wash and heat blush.  As I said, some very minor surgery will correct that issue.
If I ever cch a butt plate again, I will make a mild steel block out of 1/2" plate and machine screw the plate to the block.  In fact, I will block the lock plate and the toe plate as well.  As I said  earlier, our process made our parts very hard...a file does not bite at all.  So I am reluctant to try to straighten my butt plate for fear of cracking it.  This morning I will re-inlet it. 

So we had some definite success, but have learned the hard way about blocking parts.
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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2016, 08:14:00 PM »
Thought about this myself and if I go this route I will block all the parts,better safe than sorry.Am surprised the butt plates moved that much.

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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2016, 08:21:06 PM »
I too, believe me!!
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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2016, 03:04:29 AM »
 I tried to straighten a lock plate that warped one time and it broke in half at the hammer hole. They usually always crack if you try it
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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2016, 04:00:07 AM »
Maybe naive but why not CCH before final fitting?
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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2016, 04:07:57 AM »
that would have made my job a lot easier Kevin.  I spent most of this afternoon re-inletting my butt plate on a finished Hawken rifle.  Naturally, I put a great scratch down the cheek piece side near the butt plate, and the fit isn't as nice as when I do the inlet prior to finishing the wood.  But it'll have to do for this rifle.
I finish steel and wood at the same time.  To have the cch done first would mean you could not touch it with file, scraper or sandpaper.  I think the answer is:  don't cch the butt plate - rust blue it - or block the heck out of it prior to the big heat.
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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2016, 04:21:37 AM »
I thought about metal edges being scratched during final fit, it just looks so good with color.
Does the lock plate geometry get effected by the cooling distortion?
Kevin
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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2016, 07:17:44 AM »
One of the two lockplates warped just a little.  A straight edge across the length shows about 1/32" gap along the front face...hardly enough to worry about.
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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2016, 12:39:02 PM »
Hmmmm.you would think the trigger plates or tangs would have been most at risk or maybe the toe plate.Darn shame after all the work you put in and the perfect fitting you do between wood and metal Taylor.

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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2016, 06:12:17 PM »
Of course, we need to see pictures of both rifles all put together & finished.
Daryl

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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2016, 06:36:37 PM »
 Color won't stay on the butt plate very long anyway. Sanding will go through the case. I have case hardened butt plates before and don't think I will again. Rocks will even scratch a case hardened plate.
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Re: Colour Case Hardening - second attempt
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2016, 06:43:01 PM »
I agree Jerry.  I likely won't bother with the butt plates on future rifles.  The colours are not especially durable, especially on a well used rifle.  I appreciate your words of advice on this subject.
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