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Offline axelp

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Re: Religious symbols
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2016, 04:03:55 AM »
my response was regarding the religious symbols only. I have nothing to share regarding your other issues.
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Re: Religious symbols
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2016, 03:31:40 AM »
OK.  I see what you mean.

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Re: Religious symbols
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2016, 04:16:15 AM »
BJJ,

Here's a link to a fine smooth rifle, without patchbox, by our own Jim Parker.

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=38159.0

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Re: Religious symbols
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2016, 05:29:21 AM »
 That's a wonderful rifle!

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Re: Religious symbols
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2016, 05:33:27 AM »
 From a previous topic....
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What must be remembered is that the Pennsylvania Dutch, Moravians and Quakers were deeply religious people.  Some like the Pennsylvania Dutch were more than a little superstitious. 

  While some theorize that these decorations were just that, decoration, the frequency and amount found prove otherwise.  Some of these decorations were even hidden.  An examples of this is the INRI and DEO found on the bottom flat just behind the muzzle on some J.P. Beck rifles.  In this same area you may find a cross or more commonly an X below the front sight.  This is said to ward off a demon who would ride the ball causing an inaccurate rifle.

 In case you are wondering, INRI and DEO are both Latin abbreviations.  INRI was tacked on the cross by the Romans meaning " Jesus Christ King of the Jews".  DEO means, " With the help of God".  On Beck rifles some times this is found....... "J Deo Beck".

 Concerning the fish.  Inlays are more common on post 1800 rifles.  As the 19th Century progresses inlays tend to replace carving as a decoration on longrifles.  The fish symbol goes way back to the early Christian times when Christians had to meet in secret.  Legend says that these meeting places in the catacombs of Rome were marked with a fish or the ichthus.  One fish means Christ where three means the Trinity.   Conestoga Wagons from the same region had a fish shaped axe holders.

 Frontier lore does say that a rifle marked with a fish does shoot better.  Also legend says that if a new barrel was inaccurate it was removed from the rifle and unbreached.  It was then placed in a stream muzzle facing upstream , the same way a fish faces.  It would remain here for a few days to wash the evil spirits out of it.

  Think about this for a moment.  This may very well have some merit.  If there were burrs or areas of the barrel too sharp, a few days in fast moving stream where silt and corrosion worked on these areas.  That and the vigorous cleaning the bore got after the barrel was removed from the stream, I'm sure it would shoot better.  This could be just another method to lap the bore.

  Here are some more Christian symbols..

Eight pointed or Hunters Star... Star of Bethlehem

Distlefink or thistle finch a small bird that makes it's nest in thistle... the thorny crown of Christ

Bleeding heart... the fifth wound of Christ

Acorn... strength, character, Christ or Mary

Serpent ... warning against the Devil or the healing serpent of Moses.  If it is a rattle snake it takes a totally different meaning... Don't tread on me.

Daisy, Tradition calls it a Daisy but it bears a closer resemblance to the wild rose... Innocence

from 1970 edition Gun Digest     


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Re: Religious symbols
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2016, 04:55:19 PM »
Not to derail the topic but I have studied powder horns for a long time and I have seen very few religious symbols or Biblical references on them.  Prior to the Great Awakening outward display of religious ideology was not common, simply because religious ideology was the norm no one felt the need to.  As has been pointed out, there were religious emblems that were common that we may not think of so much today.  For example, if a fish were engraved on a horn or gun, does that symbolize Christianity?  Who knows.  I have seen way more horns with Freemasonry symbols than religious symbols.

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Re: Religious symbols
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2016, 03:12:42 AM »
  Most of my uncles were Freemasons and claimed to be Christian. The all have passed away.
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Re: Religious symbols
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2016, 07:16:17 AM »
Although it is not a religion, I have seen a number of square and compasses, and other masonic symbols on rifles.

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Re: Religious symbols
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2016, 02:23:23 PM »
The lion and lamb on the Lion and Lamb rifle are definitely religious, though whether a reference to Christ or the peaceable kingdom (a popular subject in early American art, including a powder horn IIRC) I cannot say, though I would more inclined to the latter. Dunno if the the lion was originally intended as a religious symbol, if the original patchbox was wood, but with the lamb included it becomes indicative of something.
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