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half finished
« on: November 25, 2016, 09:58:36 PM »
This horn was a commission which did not seem to want to be made and it has a story. (Don't they all?)

I admit I was intimidated by this image There is a tremendous amount of detail as well as great depth and when you're working in B&W getting the gradations of tone and distinguishing between two elements which may have been different colors but are the same in terms of light and dark is a significant challenge. The image is a rendering of a painting which I had to adjust to fit on the horn. Where the painter has color and texture and technique as well as the luxury of painting over a "mistake" and redoing it; I have none of that and erasing is a luxury that I do not completely enjoy.


Starting out, I had trouble with the image transfer and, after I spent nearly 3 hours transferring it, had to sand it all off. A tedious and delicate operation since one must take care not to sand through the white while removing as much of the outline as possible. After finally getting a good image transfer and finishing the image, I discovered a major mistake that could not be fixed so the client declined to accept the piece. I have not finished this piece because other commissions have been waiting so I've put this one on the shelf until I finish the more pressing matters. I thought I'd show you what I've done so far. When I finish the inside curve I'll show the rest of it.

Here's what I've done so far:







As always, questions, comments and critiques cheerfully entertained.  Thanks for looking.

Offline mab7

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Re: half finished
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2016, 10:48:02 PM »
Your client declined that?!
I wish I had a quarter of that kind of skill. I have absolutely ruined two horns trying to do far less complicated images.

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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2016, 01:56:23 AM »
You gotta be kidding!   I sure don't see a mistake.  Seems like it would take an unusual person to not be happy with that work.  Superb to my eye.   Marc

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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2016, 04:41:06 PM »
Hard to believe that someone would decline your work Mark. Keep smiling though it all. I always appreciate the level of dedication, skill and effort you put into your horns. Layout can be a real challenge and time consumer at times. John 

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2016, 05:07:26 PM »
It would be interesting to know what the "major mistake" actually is Mark. To my eye you've created a beautiful piece with great skill that stands on its own merit. Black and white rendering has always been my favorite style of drawing, and you are correct that it comes with its own set of challenges over full color work. I really like your interpretation here, no matter it's contrast with the original painting.

Hyper critical clients with no "eye" of their own, such as yours seem, are the very reason I become burnt out after 30 years of graphic design/illustration work. I hope you are able to sell it to a client who appreciates the horn for what it is - gorgeous!

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Re: half finished
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2016, 05:09:00 PM »
 Shows how little I know. If they are not happy with that they probably will not be happy with anything.
 Outstanding is what I would call it.

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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2016, 06:38:00 PM »
I would feel like suggesting to this client that he do his own work from here on out. Some people can't be satisfied. If I know someone is like this ,I politely suggest someone else when they approach me about doing work for them.  Your work is always outstanding. Thanks for sharing......Bob
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2016, 08:13:00 PM »
I honestly can't understand why a client would pass on such a work of art.  The horn is gorgeous and I see no flies on it.   
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2016, 08:16:17 PM »
There is such crazy detail in your horn, surely testing the limits of scrimshaw.  You have pulled it off in SPADES, my friend.  Submit it to Dixon's Fayre - "Best of Show " material.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2016, 10:43:51 PM »
After some contemplation on this horn, I believe he was a client who regretted his deal and was looking for a way out of it. Not really dissatisfied with the work, Just that he ran his big mouth. Just my opinion. I've seen it before.

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Re: half finished
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2016, 11:40:39 PM »
It's obvious to me, the Indian with the buffalo robes has one too many feathers in his bonnet! It's all in he details guys......tisk tisk, a deal breaker for sure ;D
Seriously, incredible work, I have no idea what the major issue is.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2016, 07:03:52 AM »
It's obvious to me, the Indian with the buffalo robes has one too many feathers in his bonnet! It's all in he details guys......tisk tisk, a deal breaker for sure ;D
Seriously, incredible work, I have no idea what the major issue is.
Greg


No, no, no the man is one feather short of a bonnet ...   ;)

Still,  absolutely AMAZING work!

Cheers,
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2016, 06:35:56 PM »
That is some pretty amazing work.  This folk artist would never even attempt such a design.

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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2016, 01:15:48 AM »
Just to the left of the chief's headdress in the distance looks to my weary eyes like Barney Fife's patrol car, but that would just make it cooler.  I think I see the problem, but the artwork is just too good to nit-pick.


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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2016, 05:21:28 PM »
Wow, that's a lot of poking!!!!! I'm sure your client had a good reason, but that doesn't take away from what you have done. Beautifully done!!!
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Re: half finished
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2016, 05:08:56 AM »
OK, fess-up!  You are actually a full time tattoo shop owner who does horns on the side!

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Re: half finished
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2016, 08:09:06 PM »
Thanks everyone for the kind words of encouragement.

Hard to believe that someone would decline your work Mark. Keep smiling though it all. I always appreciate the level of dedication, skill and effort you put into your horns. Layout can be a real challenge and time consumer at times. John 

John, You may not remember but you are the first guy who ever gave me advice on how to do horn work.  You're still an inspiration. Your layout is unparalleled and your execution extraordinary.  When I grow up I want to be as good as you are.

Shows how little I know. If they are not happy with that they probably will not be happy with anything.
 Outstanding is what I would call it.

   Tim C.

Tim, There is an element of truth in that.  This was the second design the client had asked for.  Now that he has declined this piece, he wants to "go in a whole different direction."  ::)

There is such crazy detail in your horn, surely testing the limits of scrimshaw.  You have pulled it off in SPADES, my friend.  Submit it to Dixon's Fayre - "Best of Show " material.

Thanks Taylor, but I doubt it.  I entered a couple of pieces at Dixon's some years ago and on the critique sheet I got back, everything was highly rated but there was a hand written note at the bottom that said: "your engraving is too good."  It kinda burned me out on Dixon's as far as entering anything goes.

Just to the left of the chief's headdress in the distance looks to my weary eyes like Barney Fife's patrol car, but that would just make it cooler.  I think I see the problem, but the artwork is just too good to nit-pick.

Trent, That's hilarious!  It took me a bit before I could see what you see but i got it.  Incidentally there are 5 "Easter eggs" hidden in the image.  All but 1 are microscopic. PM me if you found the "major mistake."

OK, fess-up!  You are actually a full time tattoo shop owner who does horns on the side!

Molly, Nope.  I only work on hard surfaces.  I use a drypoint technique, with a single point, for the most part placing each dot individually.  I've been asked to tattoo people and even to allow someone to use one of my monogram designs but personally I'm not into tattoos and I can't conceive of doing one.

I want to add that I am not angry or unhappy with the client.  He's a good guy.  He wanted what he wanted and was willing to pay for it.  I had a brain @$#% and that's that.  I'll finish this horn and put it up for sale and I'm sure I'll sell it. It was an interesting and challenging project, and I've enjoyed doing it thus far, so it's all good.

Thanks again everybody who looked in on my project.  May you all, and always, be well, happy and peaceful.

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Re: half finished
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2016, 03:09:15 AM »
Did you finish this one up?  Some lucky buyer will be happy this Christmas!    :-D   God Bless,   Marc

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Re: half finished
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2016, 07:46:17 AM »
It's obvious to me, the Indian with the buffalo robes has one too many feathers in his bonnet! It's all in he details guys......tisk tisk, a deal breaker for sure ;D
Seriously, incredible work, I have no idea what the major issue is.
Greg


No, no, no the man is one feather short of a bonnet ...   ;)


Still,  absolutely AMAZING work!

Cheers,
Smoketown

You just may be on to something there... the bonnet, I mean.  These were (I believe) reserved for ceremonial purposes only and definitely not an everyday headdress.

If that's not the 'artistic discrepancy,' then there isn't any of real consequence. 

The only thing that MAY be considered of any 'substantial' consequence, would be if the artwork presented on the 'wrong' side of the horn in it's intended carry position- which is a very personal matter.

Beautiful work.  Dixon's isn't ready for this type of 'non-traditional' work.

Good luck!!   

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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2016, 07:00:00 PM »
Mark, SUPER WORK !!! There is no satisfying some people..   Thanks for posting Nathan