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Offline Jesse168

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Channel Fitting?
« on: December 28, 2016, 01:43:34 AM »
Other than a block of wood and sand paper what would you use to open a straight channel to fit a tapered octagon barrel?  I know some that use a chisel to scrape the channel sides by pulling the chisel to you.  Surely don't want to push the chisel and gouge the wood.  Is there any special tool to do this work?
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Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Channel Fitting?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2016, 01:56:00 AM »
I bought several old chisels at a yard sale and gave them a good sharpening and then heated and bent them to a workable angle to use as scrapers. Seemed to work fairly good for just that job but would depend somewhat on the amount of tapper.

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Re: Channel Fitting?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2016, 02:51:10 AM »
Recutting an existing channel for a larger barrel is very difficult.  I would start by recutting the sidewalls using something like a 1/2" chisel cutting down.  You will just be shaving off wood a little at a time.  It might be best to clamp the barrel centered in the existing channel and scribe around the barrel using a marking knife.   You are going to have to proceed very cautiously.   Once the sidewalls are in, then you will need to start chiseling out the bottom flats.   I would use a dog leg chisel and a scraper.    I have a scraper in the shape of half an octagon, that I make from a file when I was a kid.   I hope that helps.   Good luck to you.
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Re: Channel Fitting?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2016, 06:12:40 AM »
I have taken old used up files and ground a half octagonal shape along the side and bottom and used it to scrape barrel channels, but in your case, Mark's advice is where to start.
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Re: Channel Fitting?
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2016, 02:11:26 PM »
I use a Stanley side rabbet plane. No. 79 I think.
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Re: Channel Fitting?
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2016, 04:56:11 PM »
 I don't know what you have but I would not attempt this unless the new barrel really will fit.
 This is too much work for OK or almost.

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Re: Channel Fitting?
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2016, 08:50:53 PM »
Other than a block of wood and sand paper what would you use to open a straight channel to fit a tapered octagon barrel?  I know some that use a chisel to scrape the channel sides by pulling the chisel to you.  Surely don't want to push the chisel and gouge the wood.  Is there any special tool to do this work?
Jesse168
Steve Bookout has a method that he uses in which he uses a corse file modified and runs the file parrallel and perpendicular to each side of the barrel channel (one side at a time). This works just fine on straight sided barrels. The information on this tool and many other tips are in his book "Notes From A Small Iowa Rifleshop". I will not post this info because it is copyrighted but if you contact him he may give you the info -- he can be reached at <http://toadhallrifleshop.com>.
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Re: Channel Fitting?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2016, 09:20:18 PM »
Not sure whether you are working on a blank, a pre-inlet stock or an existing rifle. Similar to Mark, when I put a swamped barrel in a blank, I just rough out a straight channel using a gouge so the side flats come as close to the stock as possible. Then, set the barrel in the channel and using a sharp knife, mark the barrel outline on the wood. Using a sharp chisel, cut close to that line. Some people like to cut down vertically, I prefer cutting along the barrel length, both work if you are careful, just watch the direction of the grain closely. A chisel is a chisel, there is no special technique involved. no reason not to push it forward.
Using either inletting black or  smoke from a small jar with mineral spirits with a hole in the lid holding a burning piece of rag, or a candle as you prefer, lay the barrel on the channel and lightly tap. Then it is just a matter making slight shaving cuts to final fit by cutting away the marks. Use caution on the side flats, once the barrel drops down into the channel, you don't want to keep removing the marks or you will end up with gaps. You will only be working on the bottom flats then.
I never understood why people think that inletting a barrel is so difficult. It really doesn't take very long, no special tools are required and only takes about 4-5 hours tops to  get a perfect inlet with no gaps. The key is visualizing the octagon shape, keeping the tools razor sharp, watching grain direction and taking very small shavings. If you cut deep with your chisel instead of shaving, you will eventually tear out some wood, especially if it is very curly. I have never used sandpaper in a barrel channel, sandpaper and sharp chisels don't get along. Scrapers are much better. They are easy to make.
Just do it and you will be fine. It isn't rocket science. Good luck!
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Re: Channel Fitting?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2016, 06:30:37 PM »
Other than a block of wood and sand paper what would you use to open a straight channel to fit a tapered octagon barrel?  I know some that use a chisel to scrape the channel sides by pulling the chisel to you.  Surely don't want to push the chisel and gouge the wood.  Is there any special tool to do this work?
Jesse168

Note from moderator:  Reference to cartridge gun removed.  Jesse168 is trying to fit a tapered barrel in a straight channel.  Walnut stock. 

I know with all the precision craftsmanship that is done doing the Penn/Kentucky rifles this procedure is done with each rifle.  I know there are short cuts and proper ways to do every procedure that's why I'm asking for advice here.
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Re: Channel Fitting?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2016, 03:44:40 PM »
I just finished an operation like this yesterday on a pre-carve.

Not thinking of myself by any means an expert, I dared not use chisels.  Rather, I took an old section of barrel end and used it as a scraper and a sanding block with coarse sandpaper.  Shoved a trimmed dowel in one end and used the dowel pointed toward the muzzle to sand.  Hence I had a handle to scrape with the cut end.  Also worked with the grain.

Got the idea from a James Turpin DVD where he made a scraper out of a chunk of steel as an undersized Octagon.

I used an octagon and round barrel end respectively and got an oct to round 20 GA to fit into a Chambers Little Feller Stock, so his DVD on Chambers Kits has proven more than adequate.  I thought the problem would be the extra wood where the router left enough for the swamped barrel, but that turned out to be less than an issue so there was less fitting than I thought....so don't have any preconceived notions about what you are going to try to do.

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Re: Channel Fitting?
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2016, 08:53:46 PM »
While doing some searching I found that Gunline Tools offers barrel bedding tools from 1/2" to 1" round and octagon shaped bedding tools up to 1".  I'm thinking about purchasing a couple of their octagon cutters.  Brownell is out of stock on the octagon cutters so I will order straight from Gunline tools.  Price is almost the same from both.  Just a few cents difference.
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