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Offline Maurice

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Grayish color in the curl
« on: March 16, 2017, 05:19:55 PM »
After the second sanding/whiskering routine on my stock I noticed a grayish tint to alternating stripes in the curl in the wrist area. Any comments on what might cause this and how to correct it? Did not occur on my first build but this stock - my second build - has way more curl. Is it normal and does it have consequences on staining?

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Re: Grayish color in the curl
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2017, 05:52:27 PM »
sanding dust is always a mixture of wood and whatever aggregate is used on the sandpaper. that grey tone might be the curl filled with this mixture as the sandpaper granules break down. always use the best quality paper find and make sure it is new and sharp and replaced often. over sanding with dull paper will set the dust in the curl. remember sandpaper is nothing more than a whole bunch of cutting edges on a flexible base,.....one of the first rules of woodworking is to keep your cutting edges sharp.   secondly, if you've put a sealer of any kind on the stock.  sanding without frequent dust removal, will push the dust into the end grain of the curl,....this dust is usually somewhat gray colored. keeping good paper around to use can get expensive and the temptation to save a few bucks is strong, but paying good money for good sandpaper is always the way to go. also, using wet or dry without some lubrication and frequent washing clean of the area being sanded, will produce this greyish dust, because the lubricant washes the dust out from under the sandpaper leaving it clean and sharp to make good cuts. all the above is the primary reason scraping is the recommended way to finish curly woods.
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Re: Grayish color in the curl
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2017, 05:57:40 PM »
to add,... all of the above is why scraping is the recommended way to finish the surface of curly woods.

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Re: Grayish color in the curl
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2017, 06:27:05 PM »
It sounds like metal dust embedded in the wood.  Pretty common around the tang, and other inletted metal parts. Wipe it off with alcohol or lacquer thinner.
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Re: Grayish color in the curl
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2017, 06:36:43 PM »
Just carry on , no biggie.
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Re: Grayish color in the curl
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2017, 08:11:31 PM »
Maurice,

I don't use sandpaper.  I scrape and burnish with a piece of 2" hemp rope made into a coarse brush.  But it is not uncommon to perceive the stain, especially an acid/iron stain, as having a grayish cast.  The iron oxide left in the wood after using an acid/iron stain is a mixture of iron oxides, some of which are black and others red and orange.  the color they impart is added to the natural color of the wood.  When you apply a finish the red and brown color of the iron oxide stain will become far more dominant.  You will probably find that the gray color is actually more of a brown once you apply finish.

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Re: Grayish color in the curl
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2017, 10:17:20 PM »
It sounds like metal dust embedded in the wood.  Pretty common around the tang, and other inletted metal parts. Wipe it off with alcohol or lacquer thinner.

Or a big pink eraser.

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Re: Grayish color in the curl
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2017, 04:59:15 AM »
 Ron's serious the eraser work's real well.   Oldtravler

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Re: Grayish color in the curl
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2017, 03:29:46 PM »
Just to clarify the situation for future responders - the stock has not been stained yet

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Re: Grayish color in the curl
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2017, 04:08:13 PM »
Maurice,

I had the same thing on my curly Maple Chambers stock - and I thought it would make it too dark and muddy - I did as much as I could do with the pink erasers, and it still had a grey tone to some of the curl (Metal filings, handling it for a year, pencil, dirt....) . I stained it anyway, without Aqua Fortis - just Laurel Mountain stain - and it was great. The "grey" areas showed the curl quite nice and it came out as if I did use two stain colors. As Brooks said - you will be just fine.

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Re: Grayish color in the curl
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2017, 04:35:28 PM »
Once you apply stains that gray will turn brown and blend into the overall look of the stock. Do use a white (or pink) eraser to remove as much as possible but don't sweat the remainder.

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