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Offline Ray Settanta

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Engraving and stock carving videos
« on: May 03, 2017, 02:04:43 AM »
Hi, I'm building my first longrifle and I think I would like it to be in the Reading style. I need some information on purchasing a DVD about carving and also one about engraving. I did a search on the forum and much of the information is old and also mentions a website called smartflix that I think is defunct. What would be a good choice? Thanks.

Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Engraving and stock carving videos
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2017, 02:27:56 AM »
Check out The Log Cabin Shop, Track of the Wolf, or the classifieds in the back of Muzzle Blasts or Muzzleloader magazines.

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Re: Engraving and stock carving videos
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2017, 11:11:58 PM »
American Pioneer Video (http://www.americanpioneervideo.com/) has some by Wallace Gusler on engraving and carving. Jack Brooks has an engraving and a carving video available also, you need to contact Jack for availability, I don't know if it is available at APV.  There maybe a couple of others but I'm not sure.


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Re: Engraving and stock carving videos
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2017, 02:58:35 AM »
I have heard Jim Kibler's carving kit is good stuff if you can locate one. 

I am not a carver, but I know a few that are pretty darned impressive.   :-) 

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Re: Engraving and stock carving videos
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2017, 04:31:45 PM »
Thanks for the information about the carving kit.

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Re: Engraving and stock carving videos
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2017, 04:50:27 PM »
  Ray check the latest Muzzeloader Magazine. Mark Silver's, Homer Dangler all have DVD S. Another set is Peter Alexander's series. It's a 4 part set. The series covers start to finish of a longrifle.  Oldtravler

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Re: Engraving and stock carving videos
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2017, 05:29:55 PM »
  I doubt if there is a book or video that I haven't read or watched about carving long rifles or most other things.  Some of them are not bad and some of them are not good at all. I don't want any more enemies so I will not comment farther.  But most of them will put you to sleep in a hurry. I haven't see Jim Kibler's.  Jim is as good as they get in my opinion as far as excellent work is concerned.  There are dozens of super good carvers in the CLA but teaching is a different matter. It is totally possible to get excellent results and still not carve correctly or by the best method.  The best carvers ever were the European carvers of old. We still try to emulate that today but few can because a lot of it is in the art design and very few of us are true artists. The same goes for engraving. I can teach a ordinary person to cut with gravers in a few weeks but it would take years to develop the art necessary to achieve master status. 
  I know this is long winded but I am trying to be helpful. There is one book that is very cheap that helped me a lot. It is the manual of traditional woodcarving  and it has been out for a hundred years or near so. https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?cm_sp=SearchF-_-NullResults-_-Results&tn=traditional+woodcarving+manual.
    It has to be read and understood. Just looking at the illustrations won't help you. Before you spend a lot of money for the sleep aids go get this book. Then get Kibler stuff.
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Re: Engraving and stock carving videos
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2017, 05:52:04 PM »
I agree with Jerry, the videos are somewhat useful for a beginner but definitely can be snooze inducing. As Jerry says, some people are excellent carvers but not as good as teachers. I have seen all the videos as well but didn't really see much improvement until I took some carving classes at the NMLRA seminar at WKU. Instant progress and now very happy with my efforts. One thing to remember, many of the original gunmakers were not all that great at carving or engraving either, some were masters, some were not. Some were downright crude but their work still has charm and merit. Again, like Jerry said, the best carvers back then were the Europeans who had specific guilds and training. Some of the gunmakers on this site and places like the CLA show, far exceed anything that was EVER turned out by the original masters, who had to work in  a hurry in order to make a living and were often working in poor light. Nor did they have Optivisors, LED lighting and Woodcraft for tools!. Which reminds me, if you live close to a Woodcraft store, they often have woodcarving classes, obviously not gun specific but it might help you get started. Just have fun, do your best and never give up.
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Re: Engraving and stock carving videos
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2017, 11:26:17 PM »
......One thing to remember, many of the original gunmakers were not all that great at carving or engraving either......

I should fit right in then... what is kinda discouraging is looking at all the beautiful rifles that are posted here and realizing that I am too old to be able to build or even practice the amount needed to equal what I see. So I am trying to shortcut some of that experience by watching good videos in order to make some simple carvings or engraving that still looks good.

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Re: Engraving and stock carving videos
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2017, 06:49:26 PM »
For carving info, I would first search the forum, there are several GREAT tutorials that have been posted by some of the members.  I learned more off of the tutorials in this link than all of the books and videos that I have read and watched.  http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?board=474.0 

My suggestion is that you read through a tutorial, then practice what they "preached".  TAKE notes as you progress, electronic notes with copy and paste to make the notes into a document is easy.  Then you will have a quick reference for later use.   

In my opinion the secret to carving and engraving is the sharpening, I have diamond grit cards that I use for both my carving chisels and gravers.  I consider it an improved version of the Scary Sharp method that uses sandpaper.  For the engravers, I made homemade versions of the Lindsay Sharpening Templates, these are based on Shaun Hughes video.     For the woodcarving chisels, I pieced together stuff I found on the Internet. 

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Re: Engraving and stock carving videos
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2017, 07:47:57 PM »
Ray, another useful resource is the book "Gunsmithing Tips and Techniques" which is a basically a collection of articles from "Rifle" magazine. There are several articles in there from the late, great John Bivins on longrifle carving which are very good and very readable. I am an old guy, so I learn better from reading and pictures. Dogcatcher is right though, there is lots of great information right here on this forum. He is also right about sharpening being very important. There are many methods to sharpening, most of them work fine, you need to find what works for you. I use an old unobtainium surgical stone and a leather strop. I sharpen my graving tools with a GRS power diamond hone and jig. It was pricey but it works perfectly and quickly. I would recommend you don't try to start out with too much carving and engraving on your first project though, you will have enough new stuff to learn as it is. No worries though, it is all fun
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