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Offline Old Ford2

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Octagon to round
« on: December 14, 2017, 03:37:10 PM »
Good morning,
Could anyone please tell me when and by whom the use of a barrel octagon to round was used.
I have searched myself and have found very little information.
Fred
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Re: Octagon to round
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2017, 04:12:57 PM »
Hi Fred,
Are you referring to use on long rifles or any classes of guns?  If the latter, octagon to round barrels were used since the 16th century.  The kind we are familiar with are referred to as "Spanish form" because Spanish gunsmiths made made the finest barrels in the world during the 17th and 18th centuries and they almost universally made them octagon to round. Most were smooth bore barrels for fowling guns.  French, Germanic, Dutch, Belgian, Italian, British, etc all used octagon to round barrels on many guns, again primarily on fowling guns. They were also used on American-made fowling guns and smooth rifles. I think there exists guns by  Haines, Beck, and Oerter with octagon to round barrels but I do not recall clearly.  Certainly, they were common on New England fowlers and some rifles.  They also were used on our first military rifle, the 1803 Harper's Ferry, and the later "Common " rifle.

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Re: Octagon to round
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2017, 08:47:46 PM »
Hello Smart Dog,
Thank you for the information, I did know of the 1803 Harper Ferry, but did not know of the other pieces.
On typical long rifles octagon barrels are rare. A swamped barrel is great for shifting the balance of a standard long rifle.
A barrel that is octagon to round would do the same, if not more so.
From the many that I have studied, it is seldom seen, to see a barrel of this configuration.
Once again, thank you!
Fred
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Re: Octagon to round
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2017, 09:42:18 PM »
Fred,
I handled a J.P. Beck at the Hartford gun show that was oct. to round.
Wood patch box  nice carving beautiful balance. I believe it was rifled .
I am in process of building one similar now.
Gus :D

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Re: Octagon to round
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2017, 10:10:58 PM »
I have a .45 cal. percussion with a Getz barrel, that is turned octagon to round.
The barrel dimensions are 43" long, 15/16"  at the breech  and 9/16" at the muzzle.
It feels like a fly rod. But shoots very well.
I am not terribly concerned to it's lineage of design, but would like to see if it replicates any particular design, percussion or flint.
Thank you for the help.
Fred
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Re: Octagon to round
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2017, 03:42:13 AM »
I have a .45 cal. percussion with a Getz barrel, that is turned octagon to round.
The barrel dimensions are 43" long, 15/16"  at the breech  and 9/16" at the muzzle.
It feels like a fly rod. But shoots very well.
I am not terribly concerned to it's lineage of design, but would like to see if it replicates any particular design, percussion or flint.
Thank you for the help.
Fred

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Re: Octagon to round
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2017, 04:15:32 AM »
Octagon to round barrels were used well into the 19th century.  Winchester offered them on a special order basis on 1873, 1876, and 1886 rifles.  Probably others as well.
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Offline Karl Kunkel

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Re: Octagon to round
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 05:12:51 AM »
Weren't late golden age smooth rifles often octagon-to-round?
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Re: Octagon to round
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 04:07:19 PM »
Some people still use them even today.
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Re: Octagon to round
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 07:44:20 PM »
Some people still use them even today.

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Re: Octagon to round
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2017, 04:00:42 AM »
Regards to Octagon to round, I see where Jim Kibler may be offering them in his new Colonial style rifle.
So my question is answered.
Thanks to all who gave information.
Fred
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