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Offline Pukka Bundook

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Lowe horse pistol.
« on: January 10, 2018, 11:04:51 PM »
Well gents, I have been outside this morning. The dog shivered and shook even in the truck.
It's not So cold, about -25, but I sold the cows a few years back, and can't think of One Good reason to stay out of doors.  :-)

Back in and thought I'd post this pistol.

Made by Lowe,  (James?)  If so;
James Lowe, App to John Brooke, 1717, free of Gunmaker's Company 1724.  Gunsmith Cannon Rowe, Westminster, 1749.  Last reference 1749.

Only real alternative is Alexander,
Charles Street Westminster 1755 -66,  & Parliament Street Westminster, 1774 -84.
Became Lowe and son.


Very interesting that it carries the crest and motto  "Stand Fast" of Clan Grant.  The crest depicting Craig Elachie, the hill -top where a bonfire was lit to rally the clan in times of trouble

As the crest & motto are standing on laurels, it appears the pistol was owned /acquired by the clan chief.

I did some looking at Clan Grant information, and Think this pistol must have belonged to the chief, but will wait to hear from those that know more about it!

 If it Did belong to a chief of the clan, a certain Ludovick Grant, 7th Bt seems the most likely candidate. (Rather odd name)
 Born 13th Jan 1707,
 Succeeded his father in 1747 as Bt.
 Died 18th Mar. 1773.
 
 If it were a clansman's position it would have to have the crest within the strap & buckle arrangement.
This must mean that the pistol was the property of the clan chief or family.  (Made for retainers or whatever)
By what I can find out the following still stands. The quote is regarding a cap badge, but wherever a crest is used the same law applies;

 "The cap badge is worn on the balmoral or glengarry bonnet. It is now made of silver or white metal and shows the clan crest,*** which must be surrounded by a strap and buckle unless worn by the clan chief. ***The badge is normally worn on the left side of the cap, on a cockade of ribbon."
 So, it appears  the pistol Had to be the property of the head of Clan Grant.

 The only other thing we can determine, is if it was a personal arm, Or made for the staff.
 I feel confident we can say it was made for personal use, as I have never yet seen a livery pistol, (or, weapon made for the staff) that had furniture of this type. most are very plain.
 If Anyone knows more on this, please let me know.

 Looking at the pistol hard, comparing with all my books, it Appears to me to have been made between roughly 1745 & prior to 1765.
 This would make it the property of Sir Ludovick Grant. (Grant of Grant and 4th Baronet) This applies even if it were made for staff use! (still being cautious.)

 Ludovick's father died in 1747, so there is a very thin chance it was made for him, and Ludovick himself died in 1773, so very unlikely it was made for his son, "The Good" Sir James, who was Baronet 1773 -1811.
 On the cautious side, it Still had to be made for Sir ludovick, if made between 1747 & 1773, and I am sure it fits into at Least that time -frame.

 The lock bridle and such are made quite heavily, as can be seen in attached pics. The unbridled hammer (frizzen) is very wide at the pivot area, making it still very firm with no wobble to speak of even after all these years.
 The cock is a replacement, and seems hand-made at some point.
 (Should it be replaced if a correct one turns up??)

 The trigger is off-set to the right, an early feature.
 Pictures not the best, and  some had to be taken with a lamp.

Here's some photos;












The above photos were from the auction house.
Below are with it in hand;

















Offline Pukka Bundook

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Re: Lowe horse pistol.
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2018, 11:17:58 PM »
In last post, you can see a crowned "F" between the proof marks, This means the barrel maker was not free of the gunmaker's Company.
(Also the homemade rammer)
Comments most welcome and more photos;

























This is the first flintlock pistol I had ever acquired.
Please forgive the many photos!!
I can't seem to figure which to post and seem to have got far too many!

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Re: Lowe horse pistol.
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2018, 11:25:55 PM »
Last few, I promise.  :)








Lock photos show rather thick bridle.   all V sound still apart from broken off tail of lock.
Pistol must have been over-cleaned at some time.   I just removed gunk from lock -work.   
Last photo is repair to stock at muzzle.

Richard.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2018, 12:10:04 AM by Pukka Bundook »

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Re: Lowe horse pistol.
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2018, 11:36:07 PM »
I can't comment in respect to anything but the absolute handsome nature of this pistol! I enjoyed reading your research into the possible owner as well. "Stand Fast" is quite the Clan motto, it fits well with the pistol in my opinion.

Thank you for sharing the pictures.

Best Regards,

Bob

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2018, 11:47:22 PM »
 WOW! Thanks for posting this.

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 12:08:47 AM »
Richard, You keep on bringing out amazing stuff!! I know you don`t like the term cool, but I`m afraid Sir, you are cool!!  Nate

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Re: Lowe horse pistol.
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 01:09:54 AM »
Heck of a nice pistol! Thanks for sharing and being from Clan McLeod I can appreciate the history behind it.

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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 01:27:27 AM »
It is definitely a keeper with a lot of interesting details. Thank you for sharing.
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Re: Lowe horse pistol.
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 03:00:27 AM »
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If it Did belong to a chief of the clan, a certain Ludovick Grant, 7th Bt seems the most likely candidate. (Rather odd name)

Variant of Ludwig, I think. Probably through the Latinized "Hludovicus," which is how King Louis the Pious used to spell his name on his coins back in the 9th century.

Nice pistol. The proportions of piece remind me a bit of those all-metal pistols made for Highland regiments and seems kind of short for holster pistol of the period. I wonder if this was basically a Highland infantry pistol made in a more cosmopolitan English style. I don't know much about pistols, though.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2018, 03:09:01 AM by Elnathan »
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 03:01:42 AM »
  Richard thank you for sharing. One fine pistol. Mike

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Re: Lowe horse pistol.
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 03:06:20 AM »
There is no need to apologize for posting too many images Richard.  It is a most worthy pistol and for those of us that replicate these sort of things, more info is always better than not enough.  Pretty handy pistol...light and fast pointer.  Nice acquisition and thanks for showing it to us.
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Re: Lowe horse pistol.
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 03:18:18 AM »
I agree whole heartedly with Taylor. The more photographs the better. Thanks so much for posting these.
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Re: Lowe horse pistol.
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2018, 05:02:38 AM »
That's a fine looking pistol.  I was glad to see the ramrod grew in length between the auction photos and your photos.   ;-) 

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Re: Lowe horse pistol.
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2018, 05:07:35 AM »
Well thank you all for the kind words, and for not thinking I overdid the photos!

It really does appear to have belonged to the chief of Clan Grant, even if it was a purchase for household use.  I've looked at this all ways, and in conversation with Joe P on it some while back, I recall he thought it too nice for servant use.  We Do see weapons for retainers by top makers, but they are usually very plain.

Fortunately, the Grants were fairly long -lived, so there can be only three candidates and one of them a bit unlikely. The only ones from this time-frame would be
 James, Ludovick, or his son, "The Good Sir James".
 Even if it was just a mere household pistol or coaching pistol for one of these Lairds, I would be much more than happy!

 Fortunately! we know that the Grants were Peers of the Realm, (Baronets) and as such sat in the House of Lords and were members of parliament for their home ridings in Scotland.
 (If I go to check the name of the constituencies to ensure correctness, I will lose this post it seems so will edit it in later!)
 As this has not changed for hundreds of years, we can be quite confident that the family crest was and still does "belong" to whoever is the present Bt. Or "Head of the House.

 This gave me some pause for thought............that even when some of Scotland was in rebellion, ('15, '45 etc. ) others were down in London sitting in parliament, business as usual. Somehow it doesn't fit with out Hollywood ideas!
I feel a bit uneasy using the term "Clan Chief" with all the accompanying Scottish idealism it appears to generate, but whoever held the title of Baronet, was also the clan chief, so the term is a bit difficult to altogether get away from. Maybe "Chief Grant" sounds better and I gather also correct. :-)

Having been keeping myself busy of an eve looking into this, I am quite convinced that "Lewie" Grant was the owner. He is the only one that really fits. (1707 -1773)

 A while ago,  I found a fantastic archive of letters to and from the Grant Chiefs & their family, More than 650 letters in all!

 The first are before the pistol's time, from Mary, Queen of Scots, commanding the Laird of Grant to go into the lands of (was it McCloud??.. forget!) with fire and sword, and take whatever he wished for his troubles.
 That it was no mere suggestion is plain at the end of the letter where she adds, "On pain of treason" (!) In other words, if you Don't you'll be hung, drawn and quartered! Hmm. Not much diplomacy but I bet it got the job done!

 The letters are very interesting, covering topics varying from betrothals, marriages, deaths and how to cope with them, births, birthdays, politics, (Both James & his son Lewis, or Ludovick as he was variously called) were MP's as we already said.
 Lettersalos  to" lewie" from his uncle, Simon Frazor, Lord Lovat, a great amount of letters from the period of the '15 and '45, especially the latter, when Lewis was given control of Clan matters by his aging father. (His dad stayed in  London for the duration!)

*** Many letters from this period are intelligence reports on the doings of the rebels, and requesting arms for his men. He had 600 willing men, but not near enough muskets, and was very short of flints!***

 He was willing to bring these men out in support of the Crown, but pressed the need for arms on numerous occasions.
 Quite often a messenger would be intercepted by the rebels, and the odd one was hanged by them, so on occasion he sent as many as four messengers carrying copies of the same information, via different routes to ensure the message got through.
 Other letters covered things like the Prince of Wales wedding, to a "Syd Saddle" and a black being sent. (I thought a black horse, but it transpires it was a new servant, with a suggestion of a new name for him,....Grant!)

 To how to salt pork, and what to do with children when the marry in a clandestine manner!
 The weather is also mentioned, with very severe snows in this period," like never known before in fact or fable!"

 That there should be such an amount of information on the family who owned this pistol, is to me very sobering.

Sorry for all this writing!!!
Another bit of (to me, that is!) Interesting stuff;     **********

 From Blackmore's book "Gunmaker's of London".....(.a Christmas present!!) I saw that James Lowe had his shop in Cannon Row, in the city of Westminster, London.

 In these letters, I noted that the Grant's London residence was also in Westminster, in Conduit Street. (This is between Mayfair & Soho, on the West side of Regent's Street), and I wondered how far away it was from the gunshop.

 Well, I have yet to find out that part!....But! I Did find that Cannon Row is squeezed in between Parliament Street and the Thames, just North of Westminster Bridge, And, straight across the road from said Cannon Row, is Big Ben & the Houses of Parliement!

 The exclamation mark above, is because as both Sir James and later Sir Lewis (or Ludovick) Grant were both MP's, The Houses of Parliament would be where a good bit of time was spent, and what could be handier when ordering guns, than a Gunmaker just across the road?
 I had hoped and still do, to find in a letter reference to purchasing arms in London, but as the shop was so close to the place of work, maybe the ordering was done with no need of letters back and forth.  Just walk across the road at dinner -time!

Sorry this is so long but I found it V interesting!!

Richard.

That's a fine looking pistol.  I was glad to see the ramrod grew in length between the auction photos and your photos.   ;-) 

Mark, Yes it Did!  Purple heart so it should be right.

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Re: Lowe horse pistol.
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2018, 05:10:41 PM »
There is no need to apologize for posting too many images Richard.  It is a most worthy pistol and for those of us that replicate these sort of things, more info is always better than not enough.  Pretty handy pistol...light and fast pointer.  Nice acquisition and thanks for showing it to us.

Taylor,
If not too much bother, can you link me to any photos or such of pistols you have built?

I'd love to see them!

Best,
R.

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2018, 08:52:36 PM »
I've built but one horse pistol...will send you email images.
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2018, 07:32:54 AM »
Thank you sir!