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Offline D. Taylor Sapergia

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Hawken Rebuild
« on: April 30, 2018, 11:29:44 PM »
Months ago, I posted images of two Hawken rifles that I built in the early 1980's, for sale in that forum.  One of the rifles, the percussion, sold to a local fellow who had me rebuild it.  Originally, since the first owner is 6'9" tall he had me make his rifles with a 16" lop.  I bought two matching barrels in .60 calibre from Mr. Hugh Toenjes, and I think I also bought the stock wood from him too.  Both the barrels and the wood are top shelf.
The new owner is a six foot man and is used to shooting rifles in the 14" lop category.  With it's 36" parallel 1 1/8" bbl, the rifle weighed in at 12 1/2 pounds, so two chops were in order:  first, the lop I reduced to 13 7/8" and secondly, I cut 5" from the barrel and reduced the rifle's overall weight to 11 pounds even.  It still has an authoritative heft to it, and soaks up recoil well, but is not unmanageable in the slightest.  In the coarse of rebuilding the rifle, it bacame apparent that a complete re-finishing job would be required.  The stock was stained with tannic acid and ferric nitrate, finished with Circa 1850 Tung Oil, and the steel hardware and furniture was polished and browned.  After I cut the stock and re-fit a new butt plate, but before I cut the barrel, Daryl and I took it to the range and Daryl shot two very nice one hole (almost) targets from the bench at 50 yards.  We'll test it again in June when I get m' new eye.
Here's a few pictures, a couple of before and after, and some finished shots.

After is on the left...




before....



after...







This picture is of its sibling rifle, a flint halfstock with the same barrel and that 16" lop.  This shows well how much I reduced the dimensions of the percussion model and the difference in the more traditional staining job and Fiebing's leather dye.  Note too that I replaced the butt plate, using what TOW calls the Bridger buttplate.  It has a deeper crescent, a longer heel and shorter overall height.  This matched almost perfectly the reduced depth of the stock having cut off two inches.  The felt pen mark on the brass patch box is where I would cut it to duplicate the axe job on the lower rifle.


...and a couple more.










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Offline Billy Mike

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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2018, 03:32:04 AM »
Thanks for sharing. Looks great and sounds interesting. I like the patchbox border.

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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2018, 06:49:39 PM »
Heading out for the re-test in 3/4 hour.
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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2018, 11:16:57 PM »
Taylor,great to see one of your builds going back out for another tour of duty,real nice do-over.

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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2018, 05:05:16 AM »
Taylor, Your explanation of what you did alone , gave me a headache! ;)  You really did a SUPER job of this! That is one of those jobs that , once you get going , your pretty well committed . The side by side comparison , is a nice thing to see as well. I really like the color  . Nice Job!!   Nate

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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2018, 05:44:28 AM »
That looks really nice, I do like that finish more too. Doesn’t look as glossy either. Huge improvement in LOP for all us T-rex armed guys too!

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2018, 07:20:04 PM »
 Really good looking guns  8)

Offline D. Taylor Sapergia

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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2018, 08:23:40 PM »
Good eye on finishes.  Originally, the stock was stained with Fiebing's leather dye, and finished with Birchwood Casey's True Oil.  Yes, it is a glossy finish, and hand wear and ultraviolet light left their marks.  The new stain is tannic acid and ferric nitrate, and you need to use steel wool or sandpaper to damage the colour.  Tung oil yields a more satin finish and it is practically indestructible.
On April 14th, after cutting the butt to 13 7/8" lop, and replacing the butt plate, I had Daryl shoot the rifle from a bench rest at 50 yards.  He shot these two targets using .595" Lyman mold cast pure lead balls (BHN 5), .022" old blue jean denim and spit.  The charge was 85 gr. 2Fg GOEX.




Mr. Hugh Toenjes, who makes superlative barrels, cautioned me on cutting the barrel at the muzzle, for fear of destroying the inherent accuracy of the barrel.  But my client could not handle the 12 1/2" pound rifle, especially with that weight out on the muzzle.  I did not relish cutting the barrel at the breech because of the huge extra work of filling dovetails, threading for the plug, having the makier's name in the wrong place between the plug and the rear  sight, etc.  So with my sphincter pinched tight, I cut five inches off the muzzle removing 1 1/2 pounds.  I re-crowned and polished the muzzle in the lathe, cut a new front sight dovetail, and finished the rifle.
Yesterday, the moment of truth, Daryl and I took the rifle to the range again, and again shot it at 50 yards from the same bench rest.  Daryl did all the shooting because my right eye needs a new lens (May 28th yippeee!), and I did all the loading.  Daryl had his usual collection of interesting pre-cut patches, some big and some small, some clean and others having been soaked previously in neatsfoot oil.  After shooting the rifle for a time to get used to it's idiocycracies, we collected the fired patches.  We found that the smaller ones were blowing out along the edges and most likely causing flyers.  We loaded two diameters of balls - .590" from a Rapine mold, and .595" from a Lyman mold.  The patch material was what Daryl called 14 oz. denim - measured .034" compressed.  All the groups shot and pictured here were shot with these re-claimed used patches, some shot three and four times.  Mr. Flintlock was used for lubricant, and it is some slippery stuff.
Hugh rifled the barrel with a 1:66" twist, and IIRC .018" deep round bottomed 9 groove rifling.  We upped the charge as noted on the targets to 110 gr. 2Fg GOEX and 125 gr. 2Fg GOEX, and shot these targets...



During the shooting, we filed the front sight to remove a sharpened top edge and produce a flat more visible top edge.  We also moved to a 3" bull from the 4" bull.  Daryl says the 3" bull gave him a better sight picture, but I see his best group was on the 4".  Loading, especially with the .590" ball was so easy we laughed, and I said I was disappointed that the rod's weight alone would not seat the ball.  The .595" ball was only marginally more difficult to load.  The combination of the dead soft lead, the very thick patches, and the excellent lubricant, made for incredibly easy loading.  Daryl shot close to fifty rounds from the bench yesterday, with those hunting loads, and at lunch, commented that his shoulder was tender.

We stopped shooting as my powder horn was getting low, and we discovered that somehow, a quantity of # 7 1/2 shot had made its way into the horn.....??  How this may have effected the shooting is a mystery.
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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2018, 08:43:08 PM »
Beautiful work Taylor.  Too bad Daryl can't shoot.   ;-)  Hah, hah.  God Bless,   Marc

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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2018, 04:15:40 AM »
Very nice work,as usual. Y'all lay off Darryl, might give him some sorta com-plex or sumpin !!!  Heck, he probably just now thawin out from winter. hahaha Dave 8) 8)

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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2018, 07:58:11 AM »
The client picks up the rifle tomorrow morning at 9 am.  I know he'll be as pleased as I am.

Taylor
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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2018, 08:46:07 PM »
Really nice work, Taylor.
You will enjoy your new vision.  I was severely nearsighted (like 20/400), and it limited me a bit.  But two years ago, I developed cataracts in both eyes.
The surgeon was a target shooter friend out in Tulsa, and he gave me 20/20 in my left eye, and 20/15 in the right.  It was an amazing transformation!  Was able to pick out mortar between bricks at 150 yd, and see the leaves on the trees for the first time in my life, and I had worked many years as a wetlands and wildlife biologist.
I do have to wear reading glasses, but MAN! is it ever great to see so well!
Hope you have the same or better results.
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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2018, 10:32:02 PM »
It is nice Taylor will be able to see well again, however it is going to be difficult to beat him - as IF THAT was ever easy, even when he couldn't see.
Daryl

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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2018, 12:16:23 AM »
When they examined my eyes before the surgery, they used a LOT of that dilation stuff.  Came back home (I had a driver that day), and a friend challenged me to a pistol shoot.  Winner to get a large watermelon.
Honestly, the cataracts made it hard to see anyway, the dilation only made it worse, but I was determined no paratrooper was going to beat a fine Navy squid like me, so I accepted.
Out to the range, my trusty 1911 in hand, I could see the white target paper, and not much else.  I just cut loose and fired all 8 rounds.  Shot a score of 78, he had 59.  Max would have been 80.
Never had a watermelon as good as that one!

CW
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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2018, 04:24:48 AM »
A little note about the rifle...the barrel has .0275" deep round bottomed grooves.
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Re: Hawken Rebuild
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2018, 05:49:36 AM »
I thought that might be the case, Taylor - kinda like a chevy drive shaft spine - Hugh wasn't much for shallow, .018" grooves.  That barrel shoots, no doubt about that, even with less than optimum

 patch thickness - 1st test, as it was.

I am sure I could easily shoot sub 1" at 100 meters with that Hawken using double apertures & maybe 140gr. 2F.

With an accurate barrel, that is still not a challenge.
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