Took a neighbor of mine with me (Vietnam Vet).... Mr Wheland is an awesome guy, beautiful rifles, all types and calibers........ Got to see different "stages" of production for several rifles. He took the time to go over my rifle, check the bore, tell me all about it and fixed my patch box spring for me..... He really is an artist, great looking firearms....May be purchasing one in the near future, first going to sell my Bivins............ Yeah the roads were NOT great, but not too bad I had four wheel drive, no problems....