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Offline rich pierce

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Relic rifle shoots again
« on: December 28, 2018, 01:00:32 AM »
This summer I picked up an original rifle at an estate sale. Really homely, possibly a restock of a Southern mountain rifle. It had no breechplug, no drum, no lock, and various stock splits. The barrel is burly and swamped, 46.5” long, and was about .33-.34 caliber. The powder chamber was eroded past the rifling, the muzzle was oversized, and the bore was dark. Pounding a slug down the bore was a chore and it came out showing rifling but scarred up. Grooves were very narrow.

I re-cut the rifling till it was strong and smooth but still had some “crawdad holes” near the muzzle. It ended up at .360 bore except at the muzzle which was .380. Guys at my club helped me out. Dave B re-breeched it to 5/8 and made and fitted a new plug with a long tang and made and got a new drum. When I snapped the new tang off by aggressively bending it, Bob welded it up for me. I made a lock to fit the mortise and did some glueing up of the stock and made a new rammer.

Today I took it out to shoot it. I do not have a .36 jag or worm yet so I shot it without cleaning. This was a test of my freshing skills as well as opening up the possibility that I’d need to go another 0.020” more with re-cutting the bore to remove all deep pits completely. I’d also never shot a barrel with wide lands and narrow grooves. I wasn’t convinced that would load or shoot as well as even lands and grooves or narrow lands and wide grooves.

First load at 35 yards shot extremely high and extremely poorly with 30 grains of FFFG, 0.018” denim patch, .350 ball, moose milk. Left:right spread was 3” and vertical was worse.   Yikes!  Minute of standing woodchuck at 35 yards! It felt like a loose load and also felt like the ball was getting down to where the rifling was mostly gone at the breech. So I decided to up the charge and use a tighter patch.




Things were tightening up.

At 50 yards it was still looking good. Left to right was very good. Vertical stringing is probably my fault. Bad eyes.



I then shot it for just 3 shots at 100 yards with 45 grains of FFFG, 0.021 patch soaked in moose milk, and the .350 ball. Side to side was less than an inch but I had the vertical stringing again.




Overall, for a gun that was a relic with a horrid bore before freshing, first time out, just one ball size to try, I was very happy with how it shot. I need to install a taller front sight!  It’s shooting 8-10” high at 100 yards. But I think the relic might become my bench gun.














Andover, Vermont

Offline David R. Pennington

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Re: Relic rifle shoots again
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2018, 02:52:49 AM »
This is great! Thanks for sharing. I love to see these brought back to life.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2018, 12:50:28 PM »
LOVE that relic!! Looks like it’s fit for the squirrel woods again, great work!!

Offline Greg Pennell

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2018, 05:23:20 AM »
Nice job, Rich!  I’ve been following since you first posted about finding this old girl...sure is great to see her back in action again!  Congrats!

Greg
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Offline redheart

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2018, 08:10:15 AM »
I love this rifle!
Thanks for fixin er up! :)

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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2018, 10:34:00 AM »
That's pretty cool Rich. The wind age is very good as you noted.  Elevation can quite easily be nothing more than the fuzzy on the rear sight, or not seeing the top of the front sight well for a repeatable  consistent sight picture.
Other than that  elevation is usually poor ignition, giving big differences in velocity. A too-loose combination may exacerbate the situation as well.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2018, 10:05:52 PM by Daryl »
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2018, 01:05:58 AM »
That is so encouraging Rich!  From your description, the bore is not exactly like one of our modern off the shelf new barrels, yet you are off to a good start. 

May I ask, are you able to cut a slight choke in Ron's barrel?  Keep in mind that there is a thin spot about 6" from the muzzle along the bottom flat, where the screw hole is too deep. We're pretty excited about the prospect of being able to use the original barrel built with this rifle, it having been ruined by the previous owner(s).
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Offline rich pierce

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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2018, 01:24:36 AM »
Yep, Taylor, that old barrel was quite the endeavor.

Ron’s barrel is now clean (excepting one or two very small dark spots) from the muzzle down to about 8” from the breech where there are still some long areas of pitting.  It’s about .575” groove to groove now end to end. I will go 0.002” - 0.003 deeper from the breech tapering toward the muzzle where it will stay about .575.
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Offline Craig Wilcox

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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2018, 03:34:50 AM »
Marvelous job, Rich!  I know that you put a lot of sweat into that barrel, and it really paid off.  Going to have a great shooting iron there.

And a chance to make a profit - I will offer TWICE the $45 for it!!
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2018, 01:15:22 AM »
Rich,  Great news on getting that one shooting. 

For eyes getting weak, I find my home made target to help. I buy day-glo poster paper, and add a black triangle to it.  The triangle is poster or construction paper, about 12" per side.  I just tape it on the poster paper.  I am sorry the target is a little fuzzy in my photo, but it was all I could find at a quick search. 

The huge contrast, especially in the sun, makes for a great aiming point.  It works for me out to at least 100 yards.  You just perch the black triangle on top of the front sight.  Voila! 

I hope this helps with your groups.   God Bless,   Marc



Offline rich pierce

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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2018, 01:24:36 AM »
Thanks, I will try that!  I have trouble seeing the top of the rear sight mostly. I made a new front sight today.  The old one was about 0.080” tall and the rifle was shooting 4” high at 25 yards.  I did not think that was possible.
Andover, Vermont

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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2019, 05:11:04 AM »
Outstanding work Rich!

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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2019, 08:24:04 AM »
That's marvelous, Rich!  Good to see it shooting again! Truly a labor of love.

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Offline rich pierce

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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2019, 06:40:09 PM »
It’s also great exercise!  Made a new taller front sight and plan to do some more load tuning this weekend.
Andover, Vermont