Author Topic: .410 Inches would be what caliber ?  (Read 1375 times)

Offline Dave Tercek

  • Starting Member
  • *
  • Posts: 45
.410 Inches would be what caliber ?
« on: February 12, 2019, 04:28:33 AM »
Hi, I don't know if this is the right place for this question, but here it is.
I inquired about the caliber of a nice Flintlock up for auction. The person could only say  " Our describer noted 0.410, measured at the muzzle from land to opposing groove. "
Would this be a 40 or 45 caliber? or something else.
Thanks,  Dave
« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 04:31:59 AM by Dave Tercek »

Offline M. E. Pering

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 273
Re: .410 Inches would be what caliber ?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2019, 04:36:04 AM »
Dave, that would be a 40 caliber.  the .010 extra is to accommodate the thickness of the patch you would put around the ball.

Matt

Offline Dave Tercek

  • Starting Member
  • *
  • Posts: 45
Re: .410 Inches would be what caliber ?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2019, 04:41:16 AM »
Matt, Thanks for the quick reply. That's kind of what I thought, but was hoping I was wrong.

Offline Ky-Flinter

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 7500
  • Born in Kentucke, just 250 years late
Re: .410 Inches would be what caliber ?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2019, 05:27:59 AM »
" Our describer noted 0.410, measured at the muzzle from land to opposing groove. "

The more usual and accurate measurement would be from land to land.  The measurement they provided, less the depth of the groove will give you the caliber at the muzzle.  Likely still in the neighborhood of .40 caliber, but if the muzzle is relieved or coned, the actual caliber may be less.

-Ron
Ron Winfield

Life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun. -Nate McKenzie

Offline M. E. Pering

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 273
Re: .410 Inches would be what caliber ?
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2019, 07:59:49 AM »
Ky-Flinter does bring up a good point.  It could actually be a 38 caliber.  Land-to-land measurement is more important, since rifling depth varies between manufacturers.  Unless you are dealing with an original barrel, which could be anything depending on date of manufacture.  In the old days, there was no real set standard for bore diameter, as most rifles came with a bullet mold for that specific rifle, made for that rifle.  Another thing we don't know is how worn the barrel is.  Like Ron mentioned too, we don't know if the barrel has been coned or not, however, I am doubting it, since there were definite lands and grooves reported to you.  But some who cone barrels did file fake grooves in, for some strange reason.

It is really difficult to talk about a barrel without lots of info about it.  Before I began building rifles, I used to hunt all of my own meat, and I was loaned an old '60s or '70s era CVA 45 caliber rifle because I didn't have one of my own.  The guy who loaned it to me said his father had told him it was a tack-driver.  I knew his father before he died, and he had told me the same, and they were both right.  However, when ramming the ball down the bore, you could tell once the ball neared the powder, that the barrel was pretty much worn out.  It took very little pressure to press that ball down that last 3 inches.  It eventually got to the point that I returned it to the guy, telling him it was getting to dangerous to fire.

This should not necessarily discourage you from purchasing the rifle, but keep in mind it may need a new barrel, which will probably cost a bit if you want a quality barrel.  And re-barrelling is an option, but should not be done if this is an original.  Let us know more.

Matt

Offline Dave Tercek

  • Starting Member
  • *
  • Posts: 45
Re: .410 Inches would be what caliber ?
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2019, 03:29:01 PM »
All, Thanks again for the education.     Dave