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Offline Goo

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Re: A Bit of a Rant
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2020, 05:39:55 AM »
When beginning crafts people comment on my ability to make things that are beautiful my reply is " " It's only because I've made more mistakes than you have."
Opinions are expensive. Rich people rarely if ever voice their opinion.

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Re: A Bit of a Rant
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2020, 05:48:59 AM »
If anything I’ve convinced myself that I CAN in fact give this gun building thing a go and it’s your videos and encouragement that has led me down a path that has me in the procurement phase and knowledge absorption stage. You also led me to this forum which I typically lurk on because of my desire to learn and not comment. I teach people to tie flies, something I only learned to do in mid life. I hear the same type of comments. The bottom line is that if someone really wants to learn/do something, they’ll find a way to make it happen. Sadly, many only wish or dream of tackling something like handcrafting a longrifle. You couldn’t do a better job in my opinion of demonstrating the steps necessary to get deeply immersed into a successful project. I respect that you document the pitfalls along with the successes along the way. Mistakes happen and a good troubleshooter can usually figure a way out of or at least a way around an error or defect. Thanks for all you do.

Offline Bill Raby

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Re: A Bit of a Rant
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2020, 07:22:37 AM »
I have had a few people tell me that the videos encouraged them to give it a try. And a few more that said it helped them through a spot where they were stuck. So I guess it is worth the trouble. I just like doing the videos anyway. Funny thing is that when I am doing the videos the idea that anyone will actually watch it never enters my mind.

What I really want to see is one of you new guys do a video of a first build. I really wish that I would have done that. But I didn't. Building a gun is completely different after you have already done it a few times. A video of building your first gun would be great for everyone out there thinking of giving it a try.

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Re: A Bit of a Rant
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2020, 02:41:56 PM »
Take a look at Justin's post about his first gun.  Maybe we should be encouraging the newbies to take the plunge because they will get better over time?

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Re: A Bit of a Rant
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2020, 06:10:43 PM »
Maybe there should be a topic  "Beginners Start Here"
I guess now after building 5 guns, I'm not the newest or not knowing type as much, but am always learning a lot of new things thanks to this site, classes and my friends. 
Two of the biggest things I finally realized over the years in building and only really implemented just over a year ago is the importance of Good Light and Great Optics!  If I had used a loop, and had better lighting in my shop, my first build would have turned out a lot better.  Not perfect but better.  ("Practice, practice, practice." was the answer to a lost tourist on "How do I to get to Carniege Hall?" given by Issac Stern)  Well, the same applies here.
Books/pictures are okay
YouTube is great
Classes really get you started
One on one with an instructor/master gun builder is fantastic
But doing, making mistakes and realizing how to either correct those mistakes or avoid them altogether, will make anyone a competent builder.
Finally, Patience ;)
Cheers, Michael Kuriga

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Re: A Bit of a Rant
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2020, 06:19:01 PM »
  The way i got started was buying old CVA and Traditions rifles from pawn shops and redoing them completely . Some of them i had cut the barrel and redo the breach most of them i recrowned repaired stocks scrubbed out the bores with chore boy copper scrubbers  then polished the bores. And most of them turned into decent shooters and some were great shooters. Then i i was introduced by a friend to a gentleman a few miles from me that builds custom ML's i talked to him for a while about building. I wanted a Hawken like Kit Carson's he said they are not the easiest to build but he agreed to give me some pointers.
    I built that gun using a stock blank not a precarve i picked up parts here and there and made a lot of them and i wound up with a beautiful rifle and very very accurate 58cal,but it took me over a year to complete it.

Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: A Bit of a Rant
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2020, 07:01:26 PM »
Like I mentioned, I am not musically inclined, I tried to master it but found the pursuit boring instead of interesting. I find mechanical things interesting, this is probably why I can "make things".

I found old duck decoys interesting back years ago, it was this interest that propelled me into carving them for myself. I was horrible at first but found every aspect of creating one interesting, from roughing it out, burning the feather detail to painting all captivated me.

I found the same with bow making and then flintlock building. I am working on my 5th flintlock and I have to say the thrill is not what it once was, probably because I have two of everything (squirrel rifles , fowlers and deer rifles) and don't shoot them as much as I once did. Eyesight, wood dust allergies and a bad neck that hates to be bent over a gun inletting for any length of time have also detracted from the process.

I think the lack of the kind of intense interest we all felt for a craft stops a lot of people from trying.

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Re: A Bit of a Rant
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2020, 07:19:41 PM »
People should not get discouraged. If it is something you really want to do you will find a way.
I did not get started in this "hobby" until I was a bit past sixty,with all the limitations associated.
Poor eyesight, arthritic hands .
The kits have been a godsend to guys like me. I admire the guys who can build from a plank.
Plank or kit. The first one is a learner, I am hoping my next one will get better.

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Re: A Bit of a Rant
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2020, 09:01:57 PM »
Rants are good, I go on rants fairly often. Mention gun control and I will go on a rant, actually I could rant on about quite a few things. But let’s take a little perspective on this rant in particular. I am sure this forum is like many that have people who come from many different areas and talents. Here the common thread is long rifles both percussion and flint but also shooting, the assorted components to shoot them; bags, horns, black powder, balls and conicals, flints, percussion caps, clothing, classes, books, videos, etc. I would guess most here are interested in building rifles but there is probably as many that are interested in shooting too. I am probably correct in assuming that most builders are shooters too but would it be an equal assumption that there are many shooters that are not builders? I agree that its important not to discourage people and that if they want to pursue something like building rifles that they shouldn't be discouraged by their first try. The more you do something, for most, the better you get. But everyone has their reasons for why or why not do something like building guns. In some cases its money or a suitable shop space or it could be time; family or work?
As an example not gun related is  when I was a kid I was one that couldn't whistle I couldn't even make a sound other than air. I had friends that did it just like that! I figured I just couldn't do it and left it that way. Many, many years later, I was raising sheep and working with sheepdogs. It was easy to work a dog close verbally but get any kind of distant away and forget it especially in a wind. Working a distant away required using a whistle to command the dog. So I bought a whistle and used it for a while but after a few years of working dogs and competing in border collies trials I saw that many of the top trialers used their fingers to whistles. Finger whistling was a different sound than what you could get from a manufactured whistle whether plastic or metal. I tried to duplicate the sound by using heavy brass plate to machine a whistle and it came close to the sound as anything that was then available. They were so close to the sound that I got quite a few requests for them and eventually sold them all over the world (last count 27 countries including the Falkland Islands). While going to trials, machining whistles and such I learned the process of how the sound was made and practiced finger whistling myself. Eventually I learned to finger whistle. The point of this example is it was a process of learning through need or wish and the process took years. As a kid I didn't care if I could do it so never gave it a real effort. As an adult running sheep and dogs I needed to learn how to whistle and to start to do it I used a manufactured whistle. But the interest in whistling and how it works on dogs brought me back to finger whistling again and the desire to learn how to do it gave me the willingness to try.
So isn't that process similar to gun building? It’s a process and people come into it from various avenues. I for one can say that the only rifle I built was a kit many years ago. My interest in this forum is probably more from the history associated with long rifles and black powder shooting. I have shot black powder for well over 45 years and all sorts of guns flint, percussion, cartridge, and those mostly original. In the last 6 years I had three plains rifles commissioned and have received two of them completely finished. I wanted to use and hunt with them and I knew the person I had make them could make them exactly as I wanted them. And build them to a level that would match historical examples. My desire was to have them to use. Only lately have I been interested in building long rifles but a lot has changed since that kit I built, I own a house, I have shop space, I make more money, and I have more time, the advantage of older age I guess. My next first rifle will be another kit probably a Kibler SMR in a small caliber but its been a process to get here a process that I am sure many are traveling for various reasons. I apologize for the long “rant”
Rob


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Re: A Bit of a Rant
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2020, 12:36:19 AM »
All I can say is I wish you were around in the 60's when I built my first rifle. There is so much more information now than back then. Hardly anyone in my neck of the woods new anything about fkintlock rifles. Your information is quite helpful.