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RoaringBull

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Stitching question
« on: February 08, 2020, 11:39:21 PM »
These may have been covered here before. But I'll ask again.

When sewing a bag, do you use enough thread on your needles to keep from having an obvious stopping point? In other words, to finish the seam you are sewing.

What do you do with the thread once you reach the end of the seam? Especially in a bag like Marcruger just posted.

Thanks in advance,
David

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Re: Stitching question
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2020, 12:38:17 AM »
If you are using two needles, the convention is to keep a length of thread known as a span...the distance from hand to hand when outstretched.  When a seam runs out of thread, double back for about four or five stitches and enter the the last hole with the new thread.  I try not to use knots, and once pounded the seam will stay pretty flat.

See how the other guys responding to this thread do it and pick the techniques that suits you best.

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Re: Stitching question
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2020, 03:20:14 AM »
Hi David, 

I will share how I do things, but I am obviously no expert. 

My second bag ended up with tons of knots showing, and it was embarrassing.  I had a very generous young lady show me how to hide knots, and I think that through before any stitch goes in. 

My dad used to made holsters, and in thick leather he used the same trick as the CapGunKid.  In thin leather I have not had as much luck, and am scared of unravelling.  I try to tie knots at the end of each run, and hammer them flat, and put a drop of superglue on each. 

I try to leave a knot where it is hidden.  For example, when sewing on the buckle, the knot is hidden between the layers of leather, up against the buckle.  When you get to the last stitch, instead of going through both layers, angle your needles, go through only one layer so you end up with two tails hanging out from between the layers.  Tie your knot, hammer it flat, and add a drop of glue. 

If it is an inside out bag, I sew the body together using three runs. That way if one thread breaks, it only unravels part of the bag.  I usually use heavy linen cord for this, so it is a stout seam.  Hidden inside, no one will see knots. 

On the bag you saw today, take the flap for instance. I started all stitching from the end towards the bottom of the flap.  The knots were to the top, on the front face.  I planned them there knowing the top hinge would cover them.  That said, you have to play "chess" and think several moves ahead.  The fanned out stitch rows do not go all the way to the top of the flap.  That is to keep the horizontal stitching holding the flap to the hinge from cutting the fanned out lines.  I thought that through before starting.  That is where a well-thought-out pattern comes in handy. 

The scary one on this bag was the line around the flap edge.  It's a long run.  I did it all with one piece of thread, to only have one knot to hide.  Yes, it was a LONG piece of thread.  I make my piece of thread four times as long as the run when saddle stitching, plus a little.  My arms get tired before I am done, but there was no visible splice or knot when I was done. 

There are masters like James Rogers, Lawrence Fiorillo and Greg Hudson who can share the correct way to do things.  I am still on the learning program. 

God Bless,   Marc






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Re: Stitching question
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2020, 03:57:40 AM »
Saddle stitching should have no knots. I use a wingspan of thread at a time, especially if I'm rolling my own. If its pre-made and I need a little more than a wingspan to do a complete seam or area i will go ahead an cut it long but that forces you to make two or more tugs as you are past your wingspan. That is time consuming. When you run out of length, tie it off temporarily up top and start another span a few stitches back and keep rolling. After you pass your tie off a ways you can clip each side down to the stitch line. When you get to the end of your run, stitch backwards 2 and a half stitches and cut em off.

On a back stitch I DO begin with a knot in the end.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2020, 04:23:58 AM by James Rogers »

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Re: Stitching question
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2020, 06:46:05 AM »
Many thanks gentlemen. I do try and hide the little knots in creases and folds and the like. But I think that I will try longer lengths as well. Being 6'4" my wing span and pretty good. I also had not thought of stitching over the end of a piece and then clipping the ends. Makes sense.

God Bless,
David

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Re: Stitching question
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2020, 11:34:56 AM »
When you get to the last stitch, instead of going through both layers, angle your needles, go through only one layer so you end up with two tails hanging out from between the layers.  Tie your knot, hammer it flat, and add a drop of glue.

This is how I learned (what little I know) as well... Except for the glue, that's a new one to me.

Mike