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msblacksmith

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auqa fortis
« on: July 22, 2009, 04:27:23 AM »
has anyone used other acids to make auqafortis.if so how did it work?and what did you use?

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Re: auqa fortis
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 04:32:50 AM »
Why not just buy ferric nitrate if you cannot find nitric acid? The acid in not the stain it just MAKES the ferric nitrate that produces the color.

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Re: auqa fortis
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 07:29:03 PM »
Some people do the vinegar and iron thing, but I've never been able to make it work.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 09:06:34 PM »
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Some people do the vinegar and iron thing,
Or Red Man and ammonia.
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Re: auqa fortis
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2009, 11:10:12 PM »
My process for vinegar and iron is to drop a pad of #0000 steel wool in about a quart and a half of vinegar.  Let it sit until the pad is dissolved, perhaps a week.   This stuff will ebonize most wood quite well. 

Incidentally, avoid breathing nitric acid, and never breathe the fumes from burning nitric acid;  use the stuff outside.  Actually, there's enough good products on the market today (art supply stores are useful) that one need not use strong acids.
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f you use acid, make sure to neutralize the acid bath with a strong base, such as lime.  Ever see a contemp that turned a funky green hue after a few treks to the mountains?  That's what sunlight does to un-neutralized acids in wood.  I'm no chemist, but rather the only English major in college to get permanently banned from the chem lab.  Seems I was in the process of brewing up a batch of nitrogen triiodide for amusement when the dean made an unexpected visit.  JWH

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Re: auqa fortis
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 11:29:08 PM »
The green is chromium trioxide.  It definitely can turn green.  Un-neutralized AF tends to turn black.
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Re: auqa fortis
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2009, 03:48:22 PM »
As Dan indicated, ferric nitrate from a chemical supply house works quite well.  I've used it on the two rifles I have built and plan to use it on the ones I'm currently building.  I mix 1 part FEO3 crystal to 5 parts distilled water (by volume).  I've heard that it is ph neutral, but believe it is still acidic, as it makes the baking soda slurry I use to neutralize bubble, particularly in crevices and crannies in the work.
FEO3 crystals are much handier to keep in the shop than a bottle of liquid nitric acid.
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Re: auqa fortis
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2009, 07:38:48 PM »
I haven't tried the ferric nitrate yet....but I still have about 2 liters of pure nitric acid, which will last me a long time.
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