Problem with RR entry pipe

[Longwalker]

Ok Folks, I have another small problem. The narrow end of the entry pipe keeps "popping " out of its inletted bed. What is my best remedy? Pinning? Epoxy? I have removed it and bent the problem area down 3 times, but it still pops out of it's bed. Suggestions are appreciated.
Harry

[Eric Kettenburg]

Do you mean the "tail?"  If it's pointed, or nearly so, you can carefully peen it out a bit longer, reshape to fit the mortise and file a reverse bevel at the narrow / pointed end and then relieve the end of the mortise slightly to match, so that you are essentially 'driving' it like a nail (if pointed) into the wood.  Similarly done with some trigger plates to keep the rear end from lifting when screwed down.  < --   

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

As Eric has noted, a small tab soft soldered to the rear end of the entry pipe extension, and filed with a downward angle can be fitted into the bottom of the inlet so that it retains the tail from popping up.  I do this on all my entry pipes.  This little tit can be added too, to the back end of a trigger plate, so that a rear screw isn't required.  And on the end of a trigger guard for a pistol...as you can see, the list goes on and on.  Nezxt time I take my entry pipe out of this current Western PA rifle I'm doing, I'll take a photo and post it.

[B.Habermehl]

Ok Folks, I have another small problem. The narrow end of the entry pipe keeps "popping " out of its inletted bed. What is my best remedy? Pinning? Epoxy? I have removed it and bent the problem area down 3 times, but it still pops out of it's bed. Suggestions are appreciated.
Harry

Are you certain the barrel of the entry pipe inlet does not have a high spot in the middle causing the pipe to rock and pop the pipes tail up. Or the tab on the bottom of the pipe contacting the barrel? That can do the same thing. BJH

[bama]

Harry a picture would help. You probably have taken out to much wood under the front part of the barrel portion of the ram rod pipe. This will allows the front of the pipe to tip down and the tail of the pipe to tip up. This happens allot when you one pin in the lug. If you have over inlet the front of the pipe glue a shim in under it to keep it from tilting down. This should help keep the tail from popping up. On some of the original rifles they used two pins which also helps keep the pipe from rocking.

[Stophel]

I HATE lower ramrod pipes.  They are an ENORMOUS P.I.T.A....  The tail end of the finial often wants to flex itself up and out of the wood.  What you have to do is, as was said, make sure you don't have any high points making it spring out, but you'll need to bend the tail in some to give it some spring tension, so that when the pipe is drawn down, the tail doesn't spring out.

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

Everyone has offered great advice.  In the case of the rifle I'm currently building, I inlet the pipe part of the entry pipe before I attached the tail which is silversolvered to the pipe.  so once the pipe was inlet so that the rod ran nicely, I finished the pipe, and then inlet the tail, little by little, until again, the rod ran nicely though the pipe.  I pinned with only one pin and it is at the rearmost position on the tab above the pipe.
I also soldered a tab onto the inside of the tail and inlet that into the stock, and that keeps the tail from flexing out of the inlet.  here's some pics...

IMGBB is really dragging this afternoon, so I'll try again later.  (to post pics)

[xx54]

 I to had this problem starting out .A friend taught me about securing the ramrod skirt soder a nail under the very tip end of it , letting it stick out past the end of the final and  slightly bending it down at an angle where it fit into a hole the fit can be adjusted by bending the nail.

[xx54]

Tayler beat me to it.

[Justin Urbantas]

Excellent trick, Taylor. Definitely doind that on mine from now on

[B.Habermehl]

Dang! That’s a neat idea. I’ll need to remember that. I normally never have much trouble with entry pipes. Sooner or later I’ll get a pest that your idea will help though. BJH

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

I used this little trick on this pipe because it is made out of .040" brass, and is especially long and flexible.  The anchor just makes it more solid.

[smylee grouch]

I have used the nail under the tab before and two pins. I like to drill the front pin first and with that instaled drill the rear pin.

[Longwalker]

Thanks guys, I used Eric's suggestion to peen and file a re verse bevel. Works like a  charm Thanks a lot to all of you guys.
Harry.