Author Topic: Carving on Isaac Haines build out  (Read 1784 times)

Nivram

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Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« on: July 13, 2020, 04:32:11 PM »
I’ve been working on this Isaac Haines build and I would like to see some better close up pics on the rifle print that TOW Sells. It does not show the carving very well to get an accurate view of its define carving.
This is what I’ve done so far but I need more information and better pics the rifles carvings on tang area and its sides along ram rod entry tube area
This is only my 5th build .


















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Re: Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2020, 04:35:58 PM »
All input is welcome to help me better my skills and knowledge of the history and craftsmanship to be better!

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Re: Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2020, 05:11:40 PM »
I’ll let an expert chime in but I enjoyed the pics this morning. Nice work. Nice shop setup as well. Thanks.

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Re: Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2020, 07:04:43 PM »
Hi,
I don't know what your objectives are but if it is to make a gun in the style of Isaac Haines, don't copy the carving shown on the TOW plans.  That is a modern gun that does not copy any original rifle of which I am aware.  You are building a Scoresone not a Haines.  I think TOW owns that gun and they might have better photos.  You are doing pretty well.  Next time, make sure you flatten the stock under your patch box so you don't have to glue in a piece of wood to fill the void.  The photos below show a classic Haines design for carving around the barrel tang.  He also used the same design around the rear ramrod pipe.







Nivram, thin the edges of your butt plate a lot.  Also the line formed by the edges of the comb should be crisp and extend from the lower corner of the butt plate extension to the nose of the comb. I included some photos below showing the comb on a rifle closely inspired by an original Haines gun.  The Kentucky Rifle Foundation sell CDs of color photos of originals.  Volume 1 Issue 6 has many photos of a classic Isaac Haines rifle.  They are well worth buying.  Again, you are doing well.

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Re: Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2020, 07:29:09 PM »
ninram; nice job, but listen to smart dog ,i enjoy your work. is this your first build?
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Re: Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2020, 07:47:00 PM »
I would cover that threaded rod sticking up with a piece of rubber hose. I am sure it would only take me 15 minutes to rake my knuckles across that, ouch.

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Re: Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2020, 09:16:05 PM »
Nice looking work.  Go man go.  God Bless,   Marc

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Re: Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2020, 04:10:57 AM »
Without checking any reference books on Isaac Haines, have you given any thought to making your forestock molding concave? It's really easy to do and really gives the forestock a slimmed down appearance with out really removing a lot of wood.

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Re: Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2020, 08:58:39 PM »
I’m doing that carving that not English posted.
But there is one on the tow print that I would like to see close up.

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Re: Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2020, 08:59:58 PM »
Oh thanks to everyone for the kind words are many compliments and I appreciate all the suggestions and opinions even if it’s constructive criticism I don’t mind thanks everyone.

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Re: Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2020, 04:04:56 AM »
Nivram, I don't actually use a gouge or anything to make the molding concave. My go to tool is a dogleg rat tail file. The dogleg is near the handle to provide finger clearance. I'm right handed so I usually use it with the handle in my right hand and my left hand is on the body of the file using my fingers to guide it along the ramrod channel. Removing the thimbles is not necessary, but I usually do. Once you have a basic groove laid out, you can wrap the file in sandpaper for finishing and enlarging the concave groove. I usually relieve the forestock down to the molding. All you need to do is draw a line down the forestock that is 1/3 of the way down from the top edge of the forestock. You can also lay it out from the widest part of the nose cap. From that line you can use a fairly wide flat chisel to remove some wood down to the incised line. 1/16th of an inch is all you really need to remove to make the molding stand out.

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Re: Carving on Isaac Haines build out
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2020, 08:50:29 AM »
I do the same thing your describing , I don’t use a gouge either I use a rat tale file dog leg and scrapers