Transitional set trigger?

[Bigmon]

Starting a Transitional style build and am considering a set trigger of the type shown on the Edward Marshall rifle, also shown this most recent Muzzle Loader Magazine.  Don't see any on-line.  Where might I find such a thing for sale?
Not sure I want to use one, but want to look in to it before deciding.  My guess is these are pretty expensive?
Regards and happy holidays to all.

[rich pierce]

Go to R E Davis. Here for example. http://www.redaviscompany.com/1019.html

[Ron Scott]

You are going to need to highly modify a triggerto have it look like the original. There are no authentic triggers for the Edward Marshal Rifle. I have double set triggers for Jaegers Rifles that should be available in a couple months. These would be CNC machined, with forged springs. No final quote on price, but anticipate $200.00 or a bit more.

[Bigmon]

Thanks to you folks.  I am not sure if I want to use set triggers or not.  This rifle is for one of my Sons.  They are fine hunters and shooters, but do not shoot all year and probably won't be familiar with using set triggers.  Might only mess them up when hunting?
Still, Thise rifle is to be "in the style" but not an actual attempt at a copy. I been also looking at butt plates and can't seem to find an actual copy of the Albrecht BP either.  I might attempt to make one and see how it turns out?
Have more time now with this covid shut down.
Thanks again

[Craig Wilcox]

Bigmon, double set triggers are not at all hard to get used to, plus you can still use the front trigger in the normal fashion.  In use, they are easily used - pull the back trigger back, then gently touch the front trigger.  You can set it from a normal 3-5 lb pull, or so sensitive that looking at it cross-eyed will set it off.  Hopefully, you will keep it set at a reasonable pull - 1 to 3 lb is ideal.  The big thing is that you eliminate creep in the trigger pull.  Nice, crisp let-off.

Several companies make them at reasonable prices.  Bob Roller, here on the forum, still makes a few every year - check the items for sale or trade here on the forum.  Ron Scott's are also excellent.

[David Rase]

So what is a "transitional style" build?  I thought the rifle was always in transition.  Is't the term transitional just another modern moniker, like SMR or canoe gun? 

Now for your question concerning triggers.  If you design and pin a single trigger correctly you can acquire a pull that will be more than adequate for both target as well as hunting.  I prefer a correctly installed simple trigger over a double set trigger any day of the week.  I only use double set trigger when the rifle school or style absolutely calls out for them.
David     

[alacran]

Yes "Transitional" is a modern term.  Even though rifles made in what is now called Germany, have about every permutation of barrel length, any Germanic looking rifle with longer than a 31 inch barrel is deemed "Transitional".
The Edward Marshal rifle, which is covered in depth in the current  Muzzleloader, has long been considered a transitional rifle. In my opinion it is a German Jaeger. stocked in America by a German, using a German Barrel and lock and possibly other parts. It is stocked in
"ahornholz" , yes the Germans stocked rifles in maple.
Shumway's compilation of Muzzle Blasts articles on Germanic guns, shows a wide variety of styles and rifles which would definitely fit in what some call "Transitional " rifles today.

[Bob Roller]

Transition from what ?? The triggers on a Sharps breech loader are the same as on a muzzle
loader.The Sharps triggers are usually better quality
Bob Roller

[Bigmon]

HEy guys, thanks for the input.  As for the term Transition, I didn't make that up.  I learned it from reading and studying what others are describing as such?  As for the use of a "set trigger", I was thinking of my Sons who are not as familiar with the use of set triggers.  I have been using a rifle for 30+ year with set triggers and am familiar with their use.  But like wise, I do prefer correctly installed simple plain triggers, especially for hunting.
Thanks again to all.

[flintlock hunter]

I can't say that set triggers ever helped me bag a deer, but I can tell you they cost me more than one. Cold fingers and set triggers don't go well with one another.

[utseabee]

Thanks to you folks.  I am not sure if I want to use set triggers or not.  This rifle is for one of my Sons.  They are fine hunters and shooters, but do not shoot all year and probably won't be familiar with using set triggers.  Might only mess them up when hunting?
Still, Thise rifle is to be "in the style" but not an actual attempt at a copy. I been also looking at butt plates and can't seem to find an actual copy of the Albrecht BP either.  I might attempt to make one and see how it turns out?
Have more time now with this covid shut down.
Thanks again

You can get the but plate from Jim Chambers. It's not exactly like the Marshall but plate tough it is real close. It looks like it could easily filed to look like it.

[rich pierce]

I been also looking at butt plates and can't seem to find an actual copy of the Albrecht BP either.

Can you be more specific about the Albrecht buttplate you are seeking? Any particular gun?

[Bigmon]

As for the butt plate Muzzle Loaders Builders Supply #20690 is the one.  But according to their web site they are out of stock.  BUT, I have a friend not 25 miles from me that has one and when he finds it I will take a ride.  Can't say I really like the looks of it.  And since I am not really planning a "copy" of the gun, but just something similar, I may alter it some?
In reading the Muzzleloader article I believe it said the original was formed from sheet brass.  Would I be correct in assuming that who ever made the original just formed and filed out what ever he liked and what he ended up with?

Oh, and while I am thinking of it.  Might there be a tutorial on here that would help in the inletting of such a BP?  I have done a couple similar on fowlers, but I think I must be doing it the hard way as it takes sooo long?  They end up ok but it seems soo long to do one to get good fit?

TRhanks again to all and best Holiday wished.  Merry Christmas.

[Bob Roller]

I got a copy of MuzzleLoader Magazine yesterday and looked at the Edward Marshall rifle and
am wondering if it uses triggers that must be set for every shot.
Bob Roller

[Bigmon]

Hi Bob,  Just wondering, have you ever made a set similar to that type?
Brad

[Pete G.]

Why not a single set? I have the one that MBS sells and it works beautifully, set or unset.