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Offline flehto

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Why I chose blank builds early on
« on: December 16, 2020, 06:20:36 PM »
My first build was a parts set and the precarved  stock ended up heating my house.....learned a lot from the parts set  and learned even more on  reusing  the original parts on a new precarve.

So after this LR was completed, thought long and hard on the next build.....either another parts set {thought it to be a "safer" build} or a risky blank build. But, what I really  was interested in was learning to build LRs , not acquiring  MLers.

So, I chose a blank build because of the errors mainly in the precarved stock. Blank building requires choosing all the appropriate parts {kinda interesting} and buying a few more tools. So when the blank arrived, the next consideration  was doing a layout of the stock. I chose a Bucks County style  and outlined a tracing of a Shuler BC buttstock  from RCAl and enlarged it on the computer until a stated dim was achieved.

The sawing of the blank was done w/ a Skill saw and a hand wood saw and my wife said she wouldn't  watch when I used the Skillsaw and went upstairs. Shortly after this, I bought a 14" bandsaw.

Inletted the bbl and did the RR groove and hole  and started to  remove some wood and thought that blank building wasn't that bad afterall.

After thoroughly studying Buchele's "how to" book {really appreciated the order of tasks to be done} and to shorten this post, continued on w/ the build. One complication not considered was that  the Reeves BC TG req'd some work to simulate a Shuler and the sand cast Bplate also req'd some work to make it look like a Shuler BC item.

But this BC LR was completed w/o any further complications and the BC shown is the result. It doesn't have many of the BC features which were on the BCs after this one.....Fred


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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2020, 07:25:42 PM »
Lovely!
Cheers Richard

Offline Scota4570

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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2020, 08:29:32 PM »
Beautiful rifle.

You hit on my frustration with precarves. Who does  a square blank with only the barrel channel and ramrod hole done?  Do they make  ramrod channel and ramrod hole before the barrel inlet so the barrel inletted right? 

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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2020, 08:50:38 PM »
Hi....did the  bbl and RR work on the  first 4 LRs and then gave  the work to Fred Miller and when he quit, the blanks and bbls were sent to Dave Rase. My requirements on the RR work were 1/16" web at the breech and 5/32" at the muzzle and Dave found a way to do this precisely. Don't know in what order he does  the work. I always did the bbl first so it stiffened the blank.

These web thicknesses are for both the Bucks County and Lancaster LRs and contributed to very slim LRs. Both the upper and lower forestock bottom outlines have a slight  taper  from the breech to the muzzle.....Fred

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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2020, 08:51:54 PM »
Fred and Scott, My first build was a blank. It was inspired by Andrew Verner along with the side opening patch box. It looked quite similar to yours Fred. I've never built a pre-carved stock and much prefer a blank. Heck, half the fun's in the shaping and carving. Inletting a barrel is just a chore that has to be done. Scott, when I was teaching long rifle building for the  local  tech school we used to use Pecatonica to inlet swamped barrels when students wanted one. We had the machinery and tooling for straight barrels. Pecatonica was willing to do slabs if you sent or bought a barrel from them them. Most of the  students did their own ramrod grooves and holes. It's been a while now, but I think they only charged $150 or so. As far as I know they will still do it. It might be worth checking on.

Dave

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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2020, 09:15:24 PM »
I assembled a few Sharon Hawken kits for friends back in the ‘70s, but the first gun I built for myself was from a blank. I have not used a precarved to this day, almost fifty years later. I use no power tools at all, except for an electric drill.

Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2020, 10:17:48 PM »
Nice rifle and wright up on the building process and reasoning for building in the first place. I started with blanks and straight barrels but when I went to swamped barrels I chose a Chambers Lancaster kit for the first one. Did a from the blank swamped after that and decided Fred Miller and Dave Keck could do the barrel and RR hole/grove after that. Still a fair amount of building to do that way but it is enjoyable work.

Offline john bohan

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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2020, 01:15:25 AM »
 My first build from a plank seemed easier than a pre carve. the lock inlet seemed to go better for me.

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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2020, 02:00:40 AM »
Should the web follow the swamp of be straight? Something in between?

Offline Bill Raby

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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2020, 02:52:01 AM »
   I started with a pre carve stock and went to blanks pretty soon also. Working from a blank takes longer, but really is a lot easier. You don't have to start out by fixing anything. I think the biggest difference is that with a blank everything is square.

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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2020, 04:31:45 AM »
The RR hole and groove are put in according to the specified web thickness at the breech and muzzle. ....Fred

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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2020, 06:36:46 AM »
I’m not sure I’ve ever used a precarved blank.  (I started building ml rifles in 1972 and maybe the first one was a precarved blank...my memory is fading, you know.).    I just simply like working with my hands and creating what I can visualize as a finished rifle..
I have assembled kit rifles for others who started one and after looking at it, decided they couldn’t do it, but I find it less satisfying, and often more difficult.  Besides .....when you make a mistake in a blank,  you have an opportunity to exercise your creativity in figuring out how to fix it.......I’m doing that right now !
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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2020, 03:51:05 PM »
So tru, Mikey!

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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2020, 04:30:23 PM »
I have a standard offer to our local club members, and I’ll repeat it here. Any of you contemplating building a rifle from plank, I usually have one in process . If you would like to see how it’s done ( maybe not the way high end builders do it),  my shop is open to anyone who’d like to observe.   
Or use it to build.
 If you have no shop or tools, my shop is available , you can use my tools (PUT YHEM BACK WHERE THEY WERE.......I have enough trouble finding them). And my library is available also ( bring them back.).   I am in NW Indiana.  Donations of coffee for the shop pot appreciated.
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Re: Why I chose blank builds early on
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2020, 03:33:01 PM »
When I started my tool and diemaker apprenticeship in 1954 we had big DoAll bandsaws  {2} and they cut very accurately through  5" thick steel {diesets}, so when I started to use  my new 14" Jet bandsaw, I was disappointed w/ the plastic blade guides.....couldn't stay on the layout lines. Bought a set of ball bearing blade guides and was able to saw right on the layout lines which eliminated a lot of wood removal after sawing......Fred