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Offline jerrywh

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About Glue?
« on: January 24, 2021, 06:57:17 PM »
 All the glues I have tried leave a telltale glue line where there is a repair.  I have not tried hyde glue. Does anybody know a glue that doesn't leave that telltail line?
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2021, 07:04:53 PM »
I have had good luck with Hot Shot. I bought it at Wood Crafters. They have several different thickness of glue. I us the thin and it flows right through the crack. If you are careful, it is not messy
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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2021, 07:56:17 PM »
Hot Shot is a CA glue - cyanoacrylate.  I've used it from time to time to bond a chip that has popped out along an inlet, with good results.  I suggest trying it on an experimental piece before you commit to your rifle Jerry, just in case you don't like the results.  Clamping tightly makes a big difference.
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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2021, 08:12:03 PM »
I use any 2 part epoxy. Stain the edges of the wood. Apply glue, wrap it up tight with electrical tape of surgical tubing. The key to success is the staining of the edges of the break before gluing.
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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2021, 09:02:00 PM »
"Hot Shot is a CA glue - cyanoacrylate.......I suggest trying it on an experimental piece before you commit to your rifle Jerry, just in case you don't like the results. "

I agree on trying out cyanoacrylate super glue before use.  In past projects I have had super glue "haze" or "fog" the surrounding finish.  The fumes can do it as well as the glue itself.  I don't know the "whys" of this phenomenon, I just have seen it happen. 

Just passing along a caution.   

I also agree with Mike's note about staining the edges first, as stain won't take once the glue is on there. 

God Bless,   Marc
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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2021, 09:34:59 PM »
Aside from pre staining you can put black pigment in the epoxy.  If the joint is not dead tight there will be a line no matter what you use. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2021, 09:45:54 PM »
Like Mike, I have always used two part epoxy and always stain before you glue. If I didn't know where the patch was, I could never see it.
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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2021, 09:52:59 PM »
I have found that the "super glues" tend to accentuate the glue line if the joint isn't really tight. especially with light coloured woods .  If I can't get a tight joint, then I'll excavate and fit a piece in to fill any gaps. Then stain, before glueing.  Although the super glues are wonderful for a lot of things, I still tend to prefer " Titebond" or good old fashioned hide glue .
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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2021, 10:44:55 PM »
Do they still make the Titebond 'brown'?
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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2021, 05:28:46 AM »
Quote from: Marcruger on January 24, 2021, 09:02:00 PM
"Hot Shot is a CA glue - cyanoacrylate.......I suggest trying it on an experimental piece before you commit to your rifle Jerry, just in case you don't like the results. "

I agree on trying out cyanoacrylate super glue before use.  In past projects I have had super glue "haze" or "fog" the surrounding finish.  The fumes can do it as well as the glue itself.  I don't know the "whys" of this phenomenon, I just have seen it happen. 

Just passing along a caution.   

I also agree with Mike's note about staining the edges first, as stain won't take once the glue is on there. 

God Bless,   Marc

The cyanoacrylate glues are noted for that vapor deposition thing.  For some years now that has been a basic method in police forensic labs to show fingerprints on objects. The fumes from the glue in a heated chamber are attracted to the traces of skin oil left as finger prints.


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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2021, 07:35:33 PM »
Having an "invisible" bond line is a $#@* shoot even with a super tight fit of the chip out. I guess it depends on the chip out and how you hold your tongue in the side of your mouth ;). I think the pre staining of the two areas have the best chance of being invisible and a super thin CA/epoxy/Tight Bond glue clamped tightly have the best chance of achieving that goal.
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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2021, 07:49:10 PM »
Just too add to Mike"s suggestion, I tend to use 2 part epoxy as well. The only thing I do in addition to what he does is add some dry pigment to the epoxy when mixing. Between prestaining and the tinted epoxy, the glue line will virtually disappear.

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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2021, 08:24:51 PM »
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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2021, 08:47:51 PM »
I never had a problem with Titebond II. I did dozens of laminated stocks with it, and the glue lines were invisible. One secret is to dampen the wood before applying the glue to both surfaces.
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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2021, 01:57:14 AM »
Tried all these things years ago. Real dark stain helps but not good on some guns.
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Re: About Glue?
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2021, 01:58:22 AM »
Quote from: jerrywh on January 27, 2021, 01:57:14 AM
Tried all these things years ago. Real dark stain helps but not good on some guns.
Strategic application of rustoleum is your answer.
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