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Offline jerrywh

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Try this
« on: February 13, 2021, 12:57:27 AM »
You will need some super wood for this carving. Look at the fine borders.


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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2021, 03:00:21 AM »
Jerry, I think you would also need some mighty fine carving tools also.  Could some of the various gravers be used for those fine lines?
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2021, 03:36:42 AM »
I have tried those fine lines with gravers but they don't do well for me. A short file or a checkering cutter seem to do better for me but I'm not a super good checkerer either. A v gouge doesn't work well either.  I'll bet Ron Scott can do it. I notice the wood is straight grain also
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2021, 07:31:08 AM »
Whoa! That’s cool carving. I know that if you put your mind to it Jerry you could do that. I’ve seen and handled your work. Ron could too, as you said.
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2021, 07:38:00 AM »
Looking at the carving first time I thought I saw fine lines too but on second thought it may not be fine lines incised into the wood but shadow lines caused by raised beads.???
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2021, 09:05:10 PM »
Looking at the carving first time I thought I saw fine lines too but on second thought it may not be fine lines incised into the wood but shadow lines caused by raised beads.???
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2021, 09:13:27 PM »
I'm sure those wide coves are bordered by parallel raised beads but they are bordered by very fine line cuts.  The overall effect is delicious.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2021, 09:17:02 PM »
A few years ago at the CLA show in Lexington I was told by a well known and respected maker
that he could make 6 SMR's to one elaborately carved rifle.When I was making locks I checked
myself and 2 and 1/2 Hawken locks could be made in the same time as one English 4 pin lock.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2021, 09:37:51 PM »
Great perspective, Bob.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2021, 11:42:44 PM »
A few years ago at the CLA show in Lexington I was told by a well known and respected maker
that he could make 6 SMR's to one elaborately carved rifle.When I was making locks I checked
myself and 2 and 1/2 Hawken locks could be made in the same time as one English 4 pin lock.
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Bob. But 4 to 6  SMRs don't bring $50,000 to $100,000 and they aren't as much fun. Takes me about 1 to 1 1/2 years to make a super nice  gun but I only work about 2 to 3 hours a day When I want to and nobody tell me what to do. Customers are a pita at my age.  A couple of friends of mine made a fine gun well engraved about 3 years ago and it sold for over $200,000.00 at auction.
   The top decorated guns sell much faster than the regular ones. My best guns never made it past the first show.  The buyers never worried about the price because there is no alternative products. Millionaires and billionaires are never broke and they are not looking for a Thompson center.
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2021, 02:25:15 AM »
A few years ago at the CLA show in Lexington I was told by a well known and respected maker
that he could make 6 SMR's to one elaborately carved rifle.When I was making locks I checked
myself and 2 and 1/2 Hawken locks could be made in the same time as one English 4 pin lock.
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Bob. But 4 to 6  SMRs don't bring $50,000 to $100,000 and they aren't as much fun. Takes me about 1 to 1 1/2 years to make a super nice  gun but I only work about 2 to 3 hours a day When I want to and nobody tell me what to do. Customers are a pita at my age.  A couple of friends of mine made a fine gun well engraved about 3 years ago and it sold for over $200,000.00 at auction.
   The top decorated guns sell much faster than the regular ones. My best guns never made it past the first show.  The buyers never worried about the price because there is no alternative products. Millionaires and billionaires are never broke and they are not looking for a Thompson center.
You are RIGHT about the millionaires and billionaires doing as they want to.I have wondered for a long time about what it would be
like to be able to write a check and make a bank bounce instead of the check.I am on the Duesenberg section of the CCA and  when the
Gary Cooper  Duesenberg sold for $22 million it really was a surprise to all who speculated at about $12million.
I was surprised when 3 of my locks sold quickly for $400 each.Also I had no idea a newly made muzzle loader of any style would sell
for  a 5 figure price but I am glad they can and do and that HAS to be a good feeling to the makers who do this level of work and I wish
I was one of them but because I am not I will not get my nose out of joint.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2021, 07:41:44 AM »
I like to believe we are all in this for the love of it and not the money.  When it comes to dollars pr. hour there really isn't a lot of difference.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2021, 06:43:05 AM »
Jerry, well put!

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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2021, 02:57:52 AM »

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I was surprised when 3 of my locks sold quickly for $400 each.Also I had no idea a newly made muzzle loader of any style would sell
for  a 5 figure price but I am glad they can and do and that HAS to be a good feeling to the makers who do this level of work and I wish
I was one of them but because I am not.
Bob Roller

Well Bob, your locks are the jewels that makes the nice guns work so well!
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2021, 11:07:53 PM »
I wonder if the old timers had wood hardeners such as we can get today?

Offline Jerry V Lape

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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2021, 09:31:27 AM »
Back to the fine lines - couldn't they be stabbed in with chisels or cut with a knife? 

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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2021, 09:38:40 AM »
Jerry,
No expert here, but feel pretty sure some of it would be done with stabbing in.