Lock question

[sdilts]

I’ve noticed several posts lately concerning modifying the appearance of existing locks because there doesn’t seem to be a properly designed lock that would be appropriate for the intended purpose. My question is, if you could get a lock manufacturer to build a lock that would fill the void, what would it be? I’m not talking about improving the performance of existing locks. For this discussion, let’s assume all locks work flawlessly. What design are we currently lacking?

[rich pierce]

We are lacking a later flintlock with the so called pigeon breasted cock, no roller frizzen, smallish, often with Ashmore or such on the plate. The L&R “late English” or “Manton” or the Chambers Late Ketland can be dumbed down and crude-ified but it seems silly work.  The same kick with a double throated cock would be nice. The Davis trade gun lock almost works but it has some guts I don’t like.  I’m not saying I hate it’s guts. Just don’t like them. It’s personal. The lock works.

A large Dutch lock from 1700-1740 for a Hudson Valley fowler would be nice.

A French fusil ordinaire 1728 would be useful for military French guns and New England fowlers made from French parts.

[Elnathan]

Musket-sized locks and flat-faced english-style locks of a size suitable for pistols are thin on the ground right now.

[Dennis Glazener]

Golucher double throated flintlock.
Dennis

[smart dog]

Hi,
Good quality flat-faced English lock of rifle or fowler length and a good quality flat faced English lock less than 4.5" long for pistols.

dave

[Ken G]

Golucher double throated would be my vote too.

[James Rogers]

Quality early 18th century English locks

[far55]

I do not care much for the look of the double throat cock,( too military for my taste) so an optional breasted cock for the same lock would be great. Roland

[Bob Roller]

In Bob Woodfill's Hawken book there is a picture of a round tail lock I made in
1975 using a Twigg plate and frizzen and it was NOT the Twigg Davis made but
a smaller one and I use a double throated cock from a Ketland I used to make.
I had planned to continue this lock but the die for the frizzen was changed and
the area where the pivot screw went thru was way too small so that idea died
right after the one I made for Bob Woodfill.The very last flintlock I made used
tje L&R Durs Egg plate and frizzen and one of their cocks that they call the 0-1
and it is a good looking lock even if I did make it
The tail of the L&R Manton/Bailes can be rounded easily and it is still a good looking
little lock but it needs a precision mechanism that doesn't have to be fancy but
with close tolerance parts.
Bob Roller

[Clark Badgett]

I would love to have an available English trade gun lock, the kind long enough to fit the 3rd bolt in.  The kind that is over 6" long. My interest tend to lie more towards the common and mundane though.

[Kevin Houlihan]

I would like to see a small flat faced late English flintlock suitable for a very small pistol - about the size of a Becky lock w/ a roller frizzen and waterproof pan.
Kevin

[Scota4570]

I could use a small pistol size Manton V-pan for a project on my bench right now.  If it were CNC like Kiblers' that would be amazing.  Since that is just wishful thinking I will make the project different. 

[bob in the woods]

Since I'm totally into the early smoothbores, these two examples, taken from the work of Ken Gahagan , and Ian Pratt  are what I would love to have available in a quality form.





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[Bob Roller]

I would like to see a small flat faced late English flintlock suitable for a very small pistol - about the size of a Becky lock w/ a roller frizzen and waterproof pan.
Kevin

The Rifle Shoppe has or had a set of castings for a Fenton lock that was for an overcoat
or pocket pistol.The internal parts are a hopeless case unless they have been retooled.
I made 2 of these with my own internal parts and that was it.One of them is still in this area
and is used as a trade item and may never be used on a gun.Maybe Tom Nixon has an
idea about where itis now and I will see if I can find out.
Bob Roller

[Bob Roller]

We are lacking a later flintlock with the so called pigeon breasted cock, no roller frizzen, smallish, often with Ashmore or such on the plate. The L&R “late English” or “Manton” or the Chambers Late Ketland can be dumbed down and crude-ified but it seems silly work.  The same kick with a double throated cock would be nice. The Davis trade gun lock almost works but it has some guts I don’t like.  I’m not saying I hate it’s guts. Just don’t like them. It’s personal. The lock works.

A large Dutch lock from 1700-1740 for a Hudson Valley fowler would be nice.

A French fusil ordinaire 1728 would be useful for military French guns and New England fowlers made from French parts.

In the absence of such locks the L&R Replacement or RPL series has a lock similar to the Chet Shoults Ketland that I made
a bunch of over the years.Theirs is for the Dixie flintlock squirrel rifle.
Bob Roller

[Craig Wilcox]

Stan Hollenbaugh, who is on this forum, makes a very nice lock for pistols.  It is his "Ditchburn" J. P. Beck lock, and is 4.125" long by 0.75" high.  Great sparker, good looker.

When I sit the pistol lock beside any rifle or smoothbore lock, I am surprised at the small size of Stan's lock.  Quite petite!

If you are interested, please PM me and I will share Stan's address.  He does have a website, but I'll be darned if I can recall it.  One of those I didn't copy when I got this new computer a few months back.

[moleeyes36]

Stan Hollenbaugh, who is on this forum, makes a very nice lock for pistols.  It is his "Ditchburn" J. P. Beck lock, and is 4.125" long by 0.75" high.  Great sparker, good looker.

When I sit the pistol lock beside any rifle or smoothbore lock, I am surprised at the small size of Stan's lock.  Quite petite!

If you are interested, please PM me and I will share Stan's address.  He does have a website, but I'll be darned if I can recall it.  One of those I didn't copy when I got this new computer a few months back.

I found this via Google: http://www.stanhollenbaughgunsmith.com/index.html

Don Richards

[Craig Wilcox]

That is it, Don - good detective work.  I am very pleased with his locks.