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Offline BrentD

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case colors on L&R
« on: June 30, 2021, 03:43:47 AM »
I have a brand new L&R Hawken lock that I am going to fit to an existing rifle.  I was debating about browning it, but then I though maybe I'd have it case colored.  Is the metal alloy suitable for that?  I do not know what alloy an L&R uses.  I should ask the same question about the cast hammer. 

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Online Dave Marsh

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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2021, 04:56:52 AM »
Best source to talk to would be L&R..  Call them.
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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2021, 06:00:21 AM »
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Is the metal alloy suitable for that?
Yes, I have done a couple using my own method.  They will take colors well.  I have not done any hammers.
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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2021, 06:07:51 AM »
Thanks, Dave.
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2021, 09:34:50 PM »
I THINK it may be 8620 which does take color hardening and has been used in breech plugs for Hawken and English sporting rifles.
Verify this with L&R to be sure.I know they told me their frizzens were changed to 52-100 which is ball bearing steel among other things.
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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2021, 04:59:41 AM »
Thanks Bob.  That is helpful. 

I hope you are doing well.  My Rollers are still rolling along very well.  I think I have 3 of them.  The one on the Alex Henry Long-range Rifle is colored and engraved very nicely.  :)



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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2021, 04:10:40 PM »
Quote from: BrentD on July 01, 2021, 04:59:41 AM
Thanks Bob.  That is helpful. 

I hope you are doing well.  My Rollers are still rolling along very well.  I think I have 3 of them.  The one on the Alex Henry Long-range Rifle is colored and engraved very nicely.  :)
The Henry lock probably has a milled plate made from 1018 or low carbon flat ground steel and I am glad to hear these locks are all operational.
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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2021, 05:55:28 PM »
Oh, it is a bit more than just operational. :)

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Offline Bob Roller

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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2021, 06:05:00 PM »
Quote from: BrentD on July 01, 2021, 05:55:28 PM
Oh, it is a bit more than just operational. :)


Can you pry it out of the wood so we can see what makes it tick or click??
Bob Roller
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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2021, 12:10:05 AM »
I pried it out with a small crowbar and this is the inside.



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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2021, 01:05:41 AM »
Thank you for taking the time to do this.This is a rare version of this style of lock.
Bob Roller
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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2021, 02:13:33 AM »
Rare or common, Bob, it shoots wonderfully and has never let me down.  Won a few matches with it too. 
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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2021, 04:49:57 AM »
Wow that’s beautiful! Thanks for sharing the pictures!
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2021, 06:53:23 PM »
Quote from: Jimclassjr on July 02, 2021, 04:49:57 AM
Wow that’s beautiful! Thanks for sharing the pictures!

I made a number of this style mechanisms for German Schuetzen rifles and I think 3 for the English style target rifles and the LAST Hawken caplock I made of the Carson style had this mechanism.This was in March of 2019,
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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2021, 09:56:27 PM »
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.This is a rare version of this style of lock.
So what's rare about it.  I went thru at least a half dozen of those locks and they all looked the same.  I have one in the shop now.
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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2021, 02:17:31 AM »
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.This is a rare version of this style of lock.
So what's rare about it.  I went thru at least a half dozen of those locks and they all looked the same.  I have one in the shop now.
Start off by counting the number of screws, there are 3 in the bridle, not two, and the spring stirrup also has a screw.
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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2021, 02:25:14 AM »
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Start off by counting the number of screws, there are 3 in the bridle, not two, and the spring stirrup also has a screw.
They all do.....That's my point.  All the locks I got from Bob look exactly like the one pictured.  So what's rare about this one.
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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2021, 03:25:41 AM »
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Start off by counting the number of screws, there are 3 in the bridle, not two, and the spring stirrup also has a screw.
They all do.....That's my point.  All the locks I got from Bob look exactly like the one pictured.  So what's rare about this one.
Nearly all the English style locks I made had the Stanton style fish tail bridle with 4 screws and the mechanism shown here was made for a German style schuetzen I was making.I probably had a semi finished schuetzen bridle on the bench and  used it to expedite the order.There is no difference in the way the locks perform and they both look good.
Bob Roller
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Re: case colors on L&R
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2021, 04:08:21 PM »
T.O.F:   sorry, I misunderstood your post.  You were comparing Rollers to Rollers.  This is an unusual variation on the Roller percussion lock.   And in my defense, I think Roller locks are fairly rare today.  :-)
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