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Offline WESTbury

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Non-Associators arms confiscation
« on: December 16, 2021, 08:38:40 PM »
I recall Scott Gordon's mentioning arms taken from "Non -Associators" in his presentation posted last summer. I recently ruined my eyesight viewing Pa Council of Safety documents on the Pa. State Archives and I found a document in Record Group 27 Roll 27 pages 502 & 503 listing the names of the Non- Associators, and their muskets taken, from the Philadelphia area.

I'm amazed at the number of muskets "floating" around that area. Probably the people listed were members of the Militia. Surprisingly to me, no rifles are listed.

I apologize for the number of photos but that was the only way I found that presented the list in a readable form.
 





















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Re: Non-Associators arms confiscation
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2021, 03:23:00 AM »
I see Silas Crispin name listed three different times and a couple others listed twice. Guess they took they kept coming back for more?  Must have been rich.

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Re: Non-Associators arms confiscation
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2021, 04:36:02 AM »
Possibly no rifles listed because they were trying to equip the military, not necessarily to disarm Non-Associators. Rifles couldn't carry bayonets so weren't interesting.

Massachusetts commisioned an "Inventory of Warlike Stores" that inquired about the number of arms and equipment held by the militia.

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Re: Non-Associators arms confiscation
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2021, 06:25:15 AM »
Possibly no rifles listed because they were trying to equip the military, not necessarily to disarm Non-Associators.

Thanks for your comments.

I believe if you watch Scott's presentation you will see that disarming the Non-Associators was one of the objectives. These people were also fined for not signing the oath.

Rifles were issued to the rifle units of the militia as well.
https://lehighonline.hosted.panopto.com/Panopto/Pages/Viewer.aspx?id=7321cf03-9599-4c5b-b270-adbe00f63c58
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Re: Non-Associators arms confiscation
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2021, 06:34:34 AM »
Yes, there were rifles in the stores at Allentown while Philly was occupied and NH county was hopping.  They seemed to be treated a bit separately.  I think most if not all of them ended up eventually getting sent up the river to Northumberland county for use on the frontier, which I imagine is where they would be most useful.
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Re: Non-Associators arms confiscation
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2021, 01:58:31 PM »
Officers are taking every arm they can find, musket or rifle. The quotas issued in May 1775 to each county for making new muskets fail--few counties produce enough, some produce none, and almost none produce them quickly enough. So in early spring 1776 the orders go out to disarm all non-associators, not because they are thought to be dangerous but because they have lots of arms that are sitting idle. Things become really desperate as PA militia need to leave for deployments in New Jersey and New York in August 1776.

There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of receipts in RG27 documenting this process. Some just record the purchase (the nonassociator was supposed to be compensated for the arms that were taken) of a single weapon, others are returns of hundreds of weapons. The Oerter rifle is an example where two rifles are confiscated. The return below lists both muskets with bayonets and rifles (232 rifles in all, I think).

BTW, since confiscated arms often needed repair before they could be used--unlike, presumably, newly produced arms--this process kept the gunsmiths extremely busy with repair work (all documented, too, since they wanted to get paid!).








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Re: Non-Associators arms confiscation
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2021, 04:05:52 PM »
Thanks to Eric and Scott for their comments and information.

I would imagine that some of these muskets listed may have been remnants of the F & I War. Musket production in the colonies took some time to ramp up production and early on, the numbers produced were quite small.
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Re: Non-Associators arms confiscation
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2021, 04:32:40 PM »
The link below is to a great paper by Eric Kettenburg centered around arms production in Allentown/Northampton County areas during the Rev War.
http://www.erickettenburg.com/allentown-1777-1779.html
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Re: Non-Associators arms confiscation
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2021, 04:37:38 PM »
Thanks for the compliment - and I still have to go through that and update it with additional information that Scott has been kind enough to provide.

I have a 'Scott Gordon' file on my desktop  ;D
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